Spencer Cobrin FB: Trump/Morrissey comments (June 21, 2020)

UPDATE June 21 2:25 PM PT:

Posted by Alexi:

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There's activity in the comments section, but given this topic has been done to absolute death - I won't paste it all here.

Visit his FB page for more:
(Update: Spencer deactivated his FB account this afternoon after the apology).

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Update:
The post was deleted around 2pm UK time.
Regards,
FWD.

 

[Deleted member 28251]

What's your problem now?

It’s called Verso.

 

[Phranc & Open]

Spencer also criticises the way Moz band members leave or join the group. I think, it's Boz who has to do this job. Remember Alain being surprised when he arrived for the Vauxhall sessions, that his two mates were no longer there. I don't know what happened after the year 1997. I think spirits were on an all time low. The record company ended the contract, the Maladjusted songs (first time with SC input) failed to make an impact and the future didn't look to bright for Morrissey. But as a user said before. That's a problem only discussed by nerds in an inner circle. The common Morrissey fan and the music press doesn't care about band members, as they are replaceable like parts of a lawnmower. It's true. -

 

[Anonymous]

None of this matters. He is selectively racist but racist nonetheless. He may not be openly racist against black folks, but he is 100% Islamaphobic and not particularly fond of Asians in general. Also, his open support for a far-right party and all of the Ill-informed shit he has said over the last few years. Maybe you did work with his management years ago, but you obviously don’t know the 2020 Morrissey.

And neither do you smarty pants ?

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe no one noticed over the years but Spencer had frequently made emotional outbursts via Facebook, only to “delete” his account and return again after some time had passed. I’ve always adored him but realised he was a little off balance at times.

It's classic posting when drunk or off your head on something, reading the next day and realising you've posted a load of old cobblers that won't go down well with anyone. Only option is to delete your FB account until the storm passes then do it all over again when your drunk with nonsense to post. Not a great trait to have.

 

[Anonymous]

Spencer also criticises the way Moz band members leave or join the group. I think, it's Boz who has to do this job. Remember Alain being surprised when he arrived for the Vauxhall sessions, that his two mates were no longer there. I don't know what happened after the year 1997. I think spirits were on an all time low. The record company ended the contract, the Maladjusted songs (first time with SC input) failed to make an impact and the future didn't look to bright for Morrissey. But as a user said before. That's a problem only discussed by nerds in an inner circle. The common Morrissey fan and the music press doesn't care about band members, as they are replaceable like parts of a lawnmower. It's true. -

Alma Matters was played constantly on Radio 1 back then when it was released, I worked in a warehouse and the radio was on every day. It also done well in the charts and was performed on TOTP as was Roy's Keen although it was only aired on TOTP2. Moz also sang the tracks on The Jack Docherty Show in UK. Also Chris Evans had Moz sing Satan Rejected My Soul on TFI Friday which was one of the biggest music/comedy shows at the time. It's speculation to say spirits were at an all time low but being out of contract for the foreseeable defo wouldn't be helping things but I do think you're wrong to say the Maladjusted songs weren't well received, the examples I use for the singles only form part of my argument as the songs Maladjusted & Trouble Loves Me as album tracks are surely up there with his best?

 

[Anonymous]

Alma Matters was played constantly on Radio 1 back then when it was released, I worked in a warehouse and the radio was on every day. It also done well in the charts and was performed on TOTP as was Roy's Keen although it was only aired on TOTP2. Moz also sang the tracks on The Jack Docherty Show in UK. Also Chris Evans had Moz sing Satan Rejected My Soul on TFI Friday which was one of the biggest music/comedy shows at the time. It's speculation to say spirits were at an all time low but being out of contract for the foreseeable defo wouldn't be helping things but I do think you're wrong to say the Maladjusted songs weren't well received, the examples I use for the singles only form part of my argument as the songs Maladjusted & Trouble Loves Me as album tracks are surely up there with his best?

Hmm, ish. It's right to say he was getting radio 1 support but Alma only survived one week in top 20 and Roy keen was his first single to miss the top 40 completely. Satan scraped in to top 40 at the bottom end for one week. Maladjusted got generally bad reviews and was his worst seller until the recent mass crumbling of the fanbase after morrissey declared his official support for far right politics.

 

[Verso]

It’s called Verso.

Says the dunce prancing coyly in the other thread defending the resident racists from little old me. Kindly f*** off, you pretentious dipshit.

 

[Phranc & Open]

Alma Matters was played constantly on Radio 1 back then when it was released, I worked in a warehouse and the radio was on every day. It also done well in the charts and was performed on TOTP as was Roy's Keen although it was only aired on TOTP2. Moz also sang the tracks on The Jack Docherty Show in UK. Also Chris Evans had Moz sing Satan Rejected My Soul on TFI Friday which was one of the biggest music/comedy shows at the time. It's speculation to say spirits were at an all time low but being out of contract for the foreseeable defo wouldn't be helping things but I do think you're wrong to say the Maladjusted songs weren't well received, the examples I use for the singles only form part of my argument as the songs Maladjusted & Trouble Loves Me as album tracks are surely up there with his best?

Don't get me wrong, Maladjusted is one of my most loved solo albums. But I do believe Morrissey expected more of it. Read the liner notes to the reissue! Full of self loathing and unhappiness. I think he thought, he might have been able to repeat the success of Vauxhall with a well balanced album. But critics weren't good at all.

 

[gashonthenail]

3 white men targeted and stabbed to death in Reading at the weekend.

Is that what they mean by 'white privilege'?

 

[Verso]

3 white men targeted and stabbed to death in Reading at the weekend.

Is that what they mean by 'white privilege'?

No, that's actually not what they mean. Thanks for asking, though. Always good to educate yourself.

 

[Anonymous]

Don't get me wrong, Maladjusted is one of my most loved solo albums. But I do believe Morrissey expected more of it. Read the liner notes to the reissue! Full of self loathing and unhappiness. I think he thought, he might have been able to repeat the success of Vauxhall with a well balanced album. But critics weren't good at all.

Good point with the comparison to Vauxhall as there is a similarity in the music used for both albums, very melodic & melancholic layered guitars. I bought every music weekly going at the time and some of the monthly magazines but truthfully don't recall the critics being too harsh, more 5 outa 10 type of reviews but Moz would have been expecting better I'm sure. I'll have a look at those notes later but two observations for now re the reissue, firstly the omissions of Roy's Keen & Papa Jack were disappointing for me as the reissue would have worked better as the original UK 10 track version with Sorrow Will Come In The End added alongside the 6 B-sides to give a complete 17 track reissue.
The other point I'd like to make is how good the 6 B-sides are, absolute quality. No matter the suggestions of spirits being low, the songwriting at the time was of a very high standard.

 

[gashonthenail]

No, that's actually not what they mean. Thanks for asking, though. Always good to educate yourself.

Just pointing out hypocrisy. Clearly way over your head...

 

[caramel sea salt]

I don't know anybody who thinks that racism is a good thing or that black lives don't matter as much as any other lives.

But people are starting to get really fed up with the treatment of whiteness as some kind of moral disease.

 

[Trans]

Apology sounds reasonable and honest

 

[Verso]

Just pointing out hypocrisy. Clearly way over your head...

Yeah, your dazzling insight was impossible for me to comprehend. Get in line with the rest of the bores.

 

[Verso]

I don't know anybody who thinks that racism is a good thing or that black lives don't matter as much as any other lives.

But people are starting to get really fed up with the treatment of whiteness as some kind of moral disease.

Well, then you must not read this forum very often because there are plenty who feel that racism is a good thing and that black lives don't matter. How insecure do you have to be to feel "fed up" with the treatment of whiteness as a "moral disease," as you say? Who gives a shit? Rhetoric is rhetoric. Live your life.

 

[caramel sea salt]

Well, then you must not read this forum very often because there are plenty who feel that racism is a good thing and that black lives don't matter. How insecure do you have to be to feel "fed up" with the treatment of whiteness as a "moral disease," as you say? Who gives a shit? Rhetoric is rhetoric. Live your life.

Refusing to be forced into supporting a political movement one disagrees with, or to apologise for ones skin colour in order to not be seen as a racist is not being "insecure". In fact, it's the very opposite of being insecure.

As for "who gives a shit"? We all should. This re-racialisation of society isn't going to unite us, it will create even more division.

 

[Verso]

Refusing to be forced into supporting a political movement one disagrees with, or to apologise for ones skin colour in order to not be seen as a racist is not being "insecure". In fact, it's the very opposite of being insecure.

As for "who gives a shit"? We all should. This re-racialisation of society isn't going to unite us, it will create even more division.

No one is forcing you to apologize for your skin color. Turn off your TV.

 

[Deleted member 28251]

Says the dunce prancing coyly in the other thread defending the resident racists from little old me. Kindly f*** off, you pretentious dipshit.

They don’t have to be defended from you. You’re intellectually weak, and you’d do any cause a disservice. No one wants you on their side. It’s like going three goals down, from the off.

I’m trying, in my own way, to save you from yourself, and to save all causes from you. It’s a shit job, but I pity you so I do it.

Be grateful as it’s more than most would give you. And it’s probably more than you’re worth.

 

[gashonthenail]

Yeah, your dazzling insight was impossible for me to comprehend. Get in line with the rest of the bores.

Always happy to provide a bit of education in reverso.