Fantastic! Gustavo was so good for the Morrissey Band.
This is one of his best tracks he wrote with Morrissey. One of my faves on LIHS - which is a great and modern album minus 2 clunkers (in my opinion). Pretty sophisticated stuff, which is what you expect from Morrissey.
Ain't that the truth . He's also pretty good at playing them!Gustavo knows how to make love to a piano.
Unfair, Morrissey—at his best—has an incredible ability to tease out beautiful tunes that aren’t even there in the backing music.Um, I believe it's the other way around. Moz doesn't have ONE GRAM of songwriting abilities. These musicians made him. Lyrics don't sing themselves, ya doughnut.
Well, I suppose his songs aren't for everyone.I think all of those songs suck, except ‘One of…’ He’s written some awful songs. Love Is On, Bobby, Ruth, In Your Lap, Neal C, Earth Is… Plus the ones that you mentioned.
He’s a sophisticated musician. Very proficient. But he can’t write a decent pop song to save his life. One of being the exception to the rule. He also brings out the worst in Moz. The lyrics to all of these songs are horrible.
Juan, I love this one as well. The first time I heard this song it transported me to a landscape where Sephardic/Ladino musicians played and sang. A fantastic feeling. Then I knew Gustavo was a gifted musician.
Well, you'd hate Jessie too if he'd done to you what he did to Gustav for 15 years. He's a terrible person and a terrible musician. Buuut, Moz keeps him around. For some reason. For some buried and unknown reason. It is, after all, all about the Mozzer.Jesse and Gus HATE each other !
Not a convincing argument. I dislike every song you mentioned.Awful?
In Your Lap/Spent the Day In Bed/Israel/One of Our Own/Girl from TelAviv, etc.
Much better than Tobias, that's for darn certain.
He wrote these below. Not sure they were considered 'fantastic' in a recent members poll on here (which I can't find at the mo), but I don't think any of them received great scores (maybe someone could link to the poll?):Gustavo has written some fantastic songs. I'd love him to come back - not to replace any of the current band necessarily, because they're excellent themselves, but just to flesh out the Morrissey roster with even more proficient and prolific musicians.
Amusing that he wrote 'Sure Enough...' and 'Neal Cassady'. I think that those 2 havr the best backing music out of any of the songs on there. Ironic given they both contain very little piano/keysHe wrote these below. Not sure they were considered 'fantastic' in a recent members poll on here (which I can't find at the mo), but I don't think any of them received great scores (maybe someone could link to the poll?):
- Bobby, Don't You Think They Know?
- Earth Is The Loneliest Planet
- In Your Lap
- Israel
- Love Is On Its Way Out
- Neal Cassady Drops Dead
- One Of Our Own
- Spent The Day In Bed
- Sure Enough The Telephone Rings
- The Girl From Tel-Aviv Who Wouldn't Kneel
- The Truth About Ruth
- Without Music The World Dies
Is this a genuine comment or a very bizarre joke - if genuine, how can you make such a bold statement with absolutely no evidence?Well, you'd hate Jessie too if he'd done to you what he did to Gustav for 15 years. He's a terrible person and a terrible musician.
OK, that's fine, but who else (apart from people on so-low) would actually know that GM wrote that music, and feel able to make comment via quantification (allocating a rating via a 'bullshit poll'?) I'm not looking to change anyones mind, but the good, and best placed, people of 'so-low' provided the evidence by what they thought, via scoring. Surely they all can't be wrong? There are some awful songs written by Manzur. I'm sure at least @Gregor Samsa would agree on this.FFS.
it’s sweetnuthin’s opinion that those songs are fantastic. I don’t see why you think you could change their mind with some bullshit solo poll results.
I enjoy all of those. There certainly have been worse over the last ten years.He wrote these below. Not sure they were considered 'fantastic' in a recent members poll on here (which I can't find at the mo), but I don't think any of them received great scores (maybe someone could link to the poll?):
- Bobby, Don't You Think They Know?
- Earth Is The Loneliest Planet
- In Your Lap
- Israel
- Love Is On Its Way Out
- Neal Cassady Drops Dead
- One Of Our Own
- Spent The Day In Bed
- Sure Enough The Telephone Rings
- The Girl From Tel-Aviv Who Wouldn't Kneel
- The Truth About Ruth
- Without Music The World Dies
As much as I don't like AI, I'd say this is very accurate.I asked ChatGPT about this and it said:
"While many fans appreciate Jesse Tobias's contributions to Morrissey's work, there's no doubt that he's also been a polarizing figure among certain segments of the fanbase. Here are some of the criticisms or points of contention often raised by die-hard fans:
It's worth noting that music and art are deeply subjective, and what one fan might see as a decline or misstep, another might view as an exciting evolution or change. Regardless of the criticisms, Jesse Tobias has remained a mainstay in Morrissey's band for a significant period, indicating a strong working relationship between the two."
- Comparison with Johnny Marr: Comparisons between Tobias and Johnny Marr are somewhat inevitable due to Marr's iconic status and the unique sound he brought to The Smiths. Some fans believe that Tobias's style lacks the distinctiveness and innovation that Marr brought to the table.
- Songwriting Contributions: Although Tobias has co-written songs with Morrissey, some fans feel that these tracks do not measure up to Morrissey's earlier work with other collaborators, particularly the Morrissey/Marr compositions.
- Change in Sound: Some fans feel that since Tobias's inclusion in Morrissey's band, there's been a shift in the musical direction, moving away from the more indie or alternative sound that characterized much of Morrissey's earlier solo work and The Smiths. The newer sound is sometimes described as more rock-oriented or straightforward, and not all fans appreciate this change.
- Stage Presence: A few fans have critiqued Tobias's stage presence, feeling it either doesn't mesh well with Morrissey's or lacks the charisma seen with previous band members.
- Nostalgia: A portion of the criticism can also be attributed to nostalgia. For many fans, the era of The Smiths and Morrissey's early solo years represent a golden period, and any changes or new directions in his music can be met with skepticism or resistance.
- Turbulence in the Band: Over the years, Morrissey has had various musicians come and go from his band, with some departures being more acrimonious than others. While it's not directly related to Tobias, the general turbulence and changes in the lineup can lead to fans comparing and contrasting different eras, with some inevitably preferring earlier lineups.
OK, that's fine, but who else (apart from people on so-low) would actually know that GM wrote that music, and feel able to make comment via quantification (allocating a rating via a 'bullshit poll'?) I'm not looking to change anyones mind, but the good, and best placed, people of 'so-low' provided the evidence by what they thought, via scoring. Surely they all can't be wrong? There are some awful songs written by Manzur. I'm sure at least @Gregor Samsa would agree on this.
I always thought that Morrissey needed his musicians to provide him tunes, but that his musicians neded Morrissey as well to give their tunes this little extra.Um, I believe it's the other way around. Moz doesn't have ONE GRAM of songwriting abilities. These musicians made him. Lyrics don't sing themselves, ya doughnut.
Poll means nothing.
No one is right or wrong.
Music is subjective.
Well, you'd hate Jessie too if he'd done to you what he did to Gustav for 15 years. He's a terrible person and a terrible musician. Buuut, Moz keeps him around. For some reason. For some buried and unknown reason. It is, after all, all about the Mozzer