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Anonymousse
Guest
Told us about what exactly??
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DrStatham
Spicy Chickpea Curry
You had six likes on that post... Jesse is really not all that popular on here
Morrissey Central - "Bonfire of teenagers" (February 7, 2024)
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DrStatham
Spicy Chickpea Curry
It's true that some people are overstating things, but first off I don't agree with Skinny's assessment that people haven't listened. On this website I don't think people like Jesse all that much, even though most people don't think he is exclusively at fault for everything.
But in any case, I think it there are signs that he is unpopular amongst the band, and most importantly he is not as capable as a guitarist as Alain Whyte or Boz Boorer. I have still been to see Morrissey 5 times with Jesse in the band, I still excitedly buy the new albums, but I would much prefer Jesse to be replaced.
DrStatham
Spicy Chickpea Curry
I think we are getting into semantics a little here. I don't mean to suggest that most members like or dislike Jesse because of Skinny, I was just pointing out that what Skinny said about people not listening to him about Jesse is an odd thing to see given a lot of people on here have a similar view about Jesse to him.
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Orange Crush
Guest
I am currently learning to play the ukulele. I will then progress to the guitar and, in time, replace Jesse. Then you'll have something to complain about!
nicky wire's legs
Christ is king!
Skinny is a regular cassandra!
DrStatham
Spicy Chickpea Curry
So will you by all accounts when you have to deal with Donnie Knutsen for a whole tour
ZOOM FROM GLOOM
LASCIATE OGNI SPERANZA!
Ah yes. ‘It’s all good’.
TheSmiths_1985
Hello, honky tonks 💋
I, for one, look forward to hearing you murder All You Need Is Me in 10 years time.
goinghome
you must not tamper with arrangements
You mean by a lot of people, of the hundreds who frequent the place, about three who can never shut up?
SuedeMoz
Well-Known Member
Yikes! Back away slowly and be very afraid...Oops...
Accidentally found it
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(Not HQ, but ho hum).
Nothing really goes away online...
FWD.
I know Alain and Gus departed because of the "temporary tour manager (Donnie)," but this is the first I've read of them leaving due to Jesse as well.
Yeah, I didn't think so either. In fact, Alain and Jesse seemed to gel very well playing together...more so than I originally had thought.
The Jesse / Alain issue would have started when he was sidelined during/post Ringleader... (throw in the onstage unpleasantries / exhaustion story). Seeing another person play music you've written wouldn't help - especially as his musical work is as obvious as the writing credits on ROTT. I'd suspect he would have expected to play on Years Of Refusal too. Then the "contractually bound to find an immediate replacement", Jesse appears and 5 of his songs make it on to Ringleader.
Put that on the back burner and then add in the recent return / leaving probably opened old wounds (not to mention the role reversal).
I could deep dive all the dates and facts, but you get the gist.
Regards,
FWD.
That's interesting, considering that Alain was presumably playing Boz's parts. I didn't see any and haven't listened to many of the Alain/Jesse shows.
Jesse is the band's "musical director" since Boz's retirement, right? Whatever one thinks of Jesse's playing, that's actually the most important change in the band in recent years, don't you think?
lol, they sure did.
Let’s hope 8stitches9lives is about to complete his final stitch.
Malarkey
no pasarán 🌹
I think Alain/Morrissey becoming a proper songwriting partnership would have worked really well. But I guess it was never the right emotional time for it.
Jesse and Morrissey seem very close - so maybe there's some kind of way they could work well as a trio??
(not surprisingly - I think new management is vital.)
Jesse and Morrissey seem very close - so maybe there's some kind of way they could work well as a trio??
(not surprisingly - I think new management is vital.)
Phranc & Open
Dreaming from the past
From the outside, Alain's development from 2004 onwards seemed more than strange. Guitar parts, songwriting and video appearances (as a drummer) during the ROTT phase and only songwriting duties on Refusal. You could get the impression, that after 10-15 years Alain really thought he could start his own career without Morrissey. The pandemic and the almost pleading offering of Morrissey songs brought him back and then this... But I am with some here: : he didn't blame Tobias. It was all about Donnie Whalberg. You can only pray, that the new manager will make Morrissey realise, that after all these years, it does matter who is standing next to him on stage. That would be a great insight. The Dodwells' egg dance is almost an amusing side note and very low profile, in contrast to Morrissey's claims.
P.S.
However, Alain praises the original line-up from 1991 at every opportunity and would very much like to revive the furious early phase of 91/92 with them.
P.S.
However, Alain praises the original line-up from 1991 at every opportunity and would very much like to revive the furious early phase of 91/92 with them.
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