Re: You are terribly misinformed
> Well, ya know, we the white americans send our armies all over
> the world and kill millions of people. We killed women and
> children in My Li, our trade sanctions in Iraq have killed
> nearly a million people, all civillians which is technically
> illegal. Cops go into "bad" neighborhoods and kill and
> beat "bad" people all the time with no provocation.
> Drug companies forge their test results and nearly 100,000
> people a year die from legal prescribed drug use. Corporations
> go south of the border and dump tons of toxic pollutants into
> the water, kill the wildlife, and make the people who live
> around it sick.
> The point I'm getting at is that there is no race and no level
> of education that makes you see the value of human life. Just
> because someone physically has a knife in their hand and stabs
> you with it makes them no worse than anyone...and if you think
> about it, they killed one person. Not millions like our
> government does.
All I said that people have a right to express their contempt towards those Mexican guys at the Morrissey concerts. Yes, I realize that not all Mexican behave in this manner (I don’t). What word(s) is one to use instead of "Mexicans"? Those brown people with…. never mind.
> The thing is, this was probably a personal scuffle between these
> two that had been brewing for a while.
> Well, gee. Are you telling me that it was only the Mexicans
> doing that? Are you telling me that all the white people where
> politely standing in a corner and looking forlornly at Morrissey
> way off in the distance?
> When I went to Coachella and stood in line at Vegas, I really
> didn't see to many hispanics. I saw asians, and I saw a bunch of
> whiney neo yuppies, but I didn't see a large overwhelming mass
> of angry hispanics with brass knuckles and guns in their hands.
> And being where I was, the white people were as anxious to trip
> over anyone to get a good spot as anyone.
You see in my mind Coachella was a bit different scenario that what happened at the Palladium. A lot was said by the press (especially the British Press) about Morrissey and his Mexican following making it seem like the vast majority of the Morrissey fans at Coachella where Mexican. To me, the Mexican fans where the ones that stood out, but by no means where the majority. I see the British point of view, though, and I see why they would be mystified by all of them. I was there, I was laughing my ass off… It just intriguing to see some big buff muscle guys with a shirt that says "I got Morrissey."
Well for me, where I was I must have counted more that 10 big huge Mexican guys and their girlfriends passing by me basically shoving me out the way so they can get through. Yeah- ok if you want to be at the front get there a little earlier or at least be nice about it not just pass by shoving your way through like an animal with this big attitude complex, get out of my way or I will kick your ass. If I were to say a word or to give them a weird look, they would have started something with me even though it is very evident that I'm Mexican by my appearance. Other than that, no one else bothered me, people pushed and shoved during the performance, some where screaming "Johnny Marr " in my ear, but he no big deal.
> everyone has their reasons.
> Aren't you the lucky one. I'll bet you actually had a job
> waiting for you once you graduated, and one that paid something
> beyond way below the poverty line.
What does this have to do with anything?!? I worked hard in College for a reason. Looking back, I kick myself for missing some really awesome concert like Pulp in 1996, Suede 95 etc. because I was studying. At least, I wasn't being rowdy, blaming the white for oppressing me like a lot of...
> Don't you see? I'm not able to attend. I just got through with
> my own gig tonight and I have way too many other things going on
> to put this high on my priority list.
> Even so, I won't make the time to attend. I think the hours I
> waste worrying about how it's going to happen, and where to go,
> and what to do, and whatever else I'm going to do beyond the
> hour Morrissey plays on stage are much better served somewhere
> else. The past 2 shows I've flown out to see were just more of a
> letdown than anything.
> True, his performance at Coachella was good, but really, do I
> feel like standing in line at Vegas for 2+ hours with a bunch of
> self righteous screaming banshees, finally making it inside (if
> I get to make it inside at all if the idiot didn't decide to
> turn around and maul Boz this time and another show gets
> cancelled), have a bunch of people who are much bigger and
> stronger than I am muscle their way through to my spot
> regardless that they already saw 20 shows and didn't pay a dime
> in travelling there beyond gas money because I'm smaller and
> don't bite, get painfully squashed by every hippie who owned
> every bootleg of the Smiths and think they are better than
> everyone else for having this great status, and watch the show
> get cut off short once the westham girls decide that they want
> yet another chance to get on stage?
> Anywhere in the country...doesn't have to be California...I feel
> very stupid standing in the middle of it. I feel like an idiot
> fighting for my turf, basically, and I don't like feeling like
> and idiot. I'm a mellow person by nature. It's just not in me to
> be punching everyone's lights out just so I can touch
> MOrrissey's hand, and yet, that is the only reason to go to such
> an event....
Alright, if you can't make that is fine. Yet, you make seem like others are crazy for having such a desire to go.
I think you are exaggerating just a tiny bit about the crowd dynamics, though. For all four shows that I've seen this year, we have never been there early to form a line. We arrive just in time for the opening band and we missed another time. Yet, for all we got excellent spots. At Coachella, we were about 15-20 ft from the stage that was the furthest we been from the stage. In SF, we made it to the front both times. My two female friends were not as aggressive as us, but still got an excellent view also. You don't have to go through all the fiasco you describe to get an excellent view. Come with me next time and I'll show you what I mean
No seriously, didn’t you feel lonely doing all that travelling by yourself?!? I would hate to do all the travelling you did without having anyone to impart my feelings to. Maybe, you do this all the time, I don’t know, but don't you think it would have been much nicer if you were doing it with someone?!?
> The same ones you are afraid will stab you? You need to sit down
> and think about this for a bit.
I never said that I was afraid. I said that you have to be cautious. I'm not walking around with a bulletproof vest or anything.
We are back to were we started. I said that in the concerts I went to in San Francisco, I didn't have to worry about those people while my sister had to go though hell in LA. Yeah- she loved it, but now she is paying for it because all the bruises she has on her body. I have no bruises no nothing why because those idiots where not there.
