Daily Mail Morrissey article "Bonfire Of Teenagers" & Manchester Bombing (October 27, 2022)

Richard LittleJohn best know as the conservative poster boy reviews Morrissey Bonfire of teenagers.

RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Why should we go easy on Islamist killers? Singer Morrissey rejects the ubiquitous 'turn another cheek' response. And quite right, too - dailymail.co.uk

But sadly I feel it misses the point & makes him out to be some sort of pop star for the Far Right.

But again what do you expect from the Daily Mail.

October 29, 2022:
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[Who Rattled Your Cage]

Ffs - they sang a song called DON'T LOOK BACK IN ANGER.

The singing of the song was a local gesture of pain, loss, anguish, and not succumbing to them, not being angry, not letting rage consume you. Apparently Morrissey did not feel that way. Or wanted to articulate the opposite sentiment. I think both approaches are fair enough.

 

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The singing of the song was a local gesture of pain, loss, anguish, and not succumbing to them, not being angry, not letting rage consume you. Apparently Morrissey did not feel that way. Or wanted to articulate the opposite sentiment. I think both approaches are fair enough.

This ‘local gesture of pain, loss …’?

 

[Malarkey]

The singing of the song was a local gesture of pain, loss, anguish, and not succumbing to them, not being angry, not letting rage consume you. Apparently Morrissey did not feel that way. Or wanted to articulate the opposite sentiment. I think both approaches are fair enough.

Yeah - but Morrissey got a huge amount of flack, while everyone else got a massive gig - which he wasn't invited to.

It was so extreme even the Guardian ran a sympathetic piece about it & I think this fits with the song & what he's said about the song.

I disagree with him on most things, but I understand his anger, and it interested me to notice that, on parts of social media at least, more vitriol seemed to have been deposited on his confused head than on that of the bomber. Over the past week so much loathing has been directed towards this silly, sulky man, clinging to his lost adolescence and floundering in the dregs of his contrarian genius. A friend suggested this is because Islamic State and their ilk are so far beyond the pale that being angry with them was like being angry at the devil – pointless. Whereas Morrissey is just a silly old human and meant to abide by different rules.

Carol Birch, the Guardian, 29 May 2017

 

[gashonthenail]

This ‘local gesture of pain, loss …’?

If the song was attacking the flown in stars who sang it, I don't think anyone would mind. But the song sounds more like he's attacking the 'morons' who sang it spontaneously in the streets.

 

[Les Tameside]

Ffs - they sang a song called DON'T LOOK BACK IN ANGER.

FFS-EVERYONE WAS ANGRY. VERY!!!

What would be the point of the song of the song’s caution, if people weren’t angry?

 

[gashonthenail]

Yeah - but Morrissey got a huge amount of flack, while everyone else got a massive gig - which he wasn't invited to.

It was so extreme even the Guardian ran a sympathetic piece about it & I think this fits with the song & what he's said about the song.

I disagree with him on most things, but I understand his anger, and it interested me to notice that, on parts of social media at least, more vitriol seemed to have been deposited on his confused head than on that of the bomber. Over the past week so much loathing has been directed towards this silly, sulky man, clinging to his lost adolescence and floundering in the dregs of his contrarian genius. A friend suggested this is because Islamic State and their ilk are so far beyond the pale that being angry with them was like being angry at the devil – pointless. Whereas Morrissey is just a silly old human and meant to abide by different rules.

Carol Birch, the Guardian, 29 May 2017

'The power of music to bring people together'.

That was the point of Rock Against Racism wasn't it? I would have thought a good socialist like you would approve of people coming together after a massive tragedy to sing a song about not giving way to anger and hate?

I think Noel speaks quite eloquently here. Were they all 'morons'?

 

[Les Tameside]

This ‘local gesture of pain, loss …’?

One of those individuals was actually there. Any more local and she’d have been dead.

 

[Malarkey]

FFS-EVERYONE WAS ANGRY. VERY!!!

What would be the point of the song of the song’s caution, if people weren’t angry?

There was a huge gig where they sang Don't Look Back In Anger.

Morrissey wasn't invited to the gig.

He'd been subjected to a huge amount of anger because he said he was angry.

He has written a song in which someone is angry & other people are singing Don't Look Back In Anger.

 

[gashonthenail]

FFS-EVERYONE WAS ANGRY. VERY!!!

What would be the point of the song of the song’s caution, if people weren’t angry?

Anger is the central theme of the song clearly.
The song doesn't say - I'm so bloody angry about what happened. Full stop.
The song says - I'm bloody angry about what happened, and you should be too.
Anger is an energy. As any good campaigner knows, first you get people angry, then you call them to action.
It's funny that it is the anger theme that has clearly attracted Richard Littlejohn - a man who has been angry all his life. And his second article is more about having a go at 'f***in' 'elth and safety' that it is about the Manchester bombing. Hilarious.
But back to the anger of BOT. What action is Moz advocating we take after we have all got angry about what happened? That is the 'problem' hanging over this song, I'm afraid. And it's why I fear it may never get released in the UK. The subject matter is just too 'sensitive'. We're not supposed to be angry about what Salman Abedi did.

 

[Malarkey]

'The power of music to bring people together'.

That was the point of Rock Against Racism wasn't it? I would have thought a good socialist like you would approve of people coming together after a massive tragedy to sing a song about not giving way to anger and hate?

I think Noel speaks quite eloquently here. Were they all 'morons'?

My opinion about the gig isn't relevant to the song.

 

[Malarkey]

Anger is the central theme of the song clearly.
The song doesn't say - I'm so bloody angry about what happened. Full stop.
The song says - I'm bloody angry about what happened, and you should be too.
Anger is an energy. As any good campaigner knows, first you get people angry, then you call them to action.
It's funny that it is the anger theme that has clearly attracted Richard Littlejohn - a man who has been angry all his life. And his second article is more about having a go at 'f***in' 'elth and safety' that it is about the Manchester bombing. Hilarious.
But back to the anger of BOT. What action is Moz advocating we take after we have all got angry about what happened? That is the 'problem' hanging over this song, I'm afraid. And it's why I fear it may never get released in the UK. The subject matter is just too 'sensitive'. We're not supposed to be angry about what Salman Abedi did.

The song doesn't tell people to get angry.

It isn't advocating action.

It's been performed in the UK without any issue.

Record companies have said nothing.

 

[gashonthenail]

The song doesn't tell people to get angry.

It isn't advocating action.

It's been performed in the UK without any issue.

Record companies have said nothing.

You're right it doesn't advocate any specific action. That's my point.

But are you really saying you don't think the song is an invitation to get angry about what happened?

Oh, you should've seen her leave for the arena
Only to be vapourised...
Vapourised...

You don't think that use of language is designed to evoke an intense emotional reaction?

People in the audience applauded when he sang 'I will be angry to the day I die'. They were basically saying - we agree with and share that sentiment.

 

[Malarkey]

You're right it doesn't advocate any specific action. That's my point.

But are you really saying you don't think the song is an invitation to get angry about what happened?

Oh, you should've seen her leave for the arena
Only to be vapourised...
Vapourised...

You don't think that use of language is designed to evoke an intense emotional reaction?

People in the audience applauded when he sang 'I will be angry to the day I die'. They were basically saying - we agree with and share that sentiment.

It's too wistful to get people angry - it's not a rabble rouser.

It doesn't advocate any action.

 

[gashonthenail]

It's too wistful to get people angry - it's not a rabble rouser.

It doesn't advocate any action.

You keep making my point for me. It doesn't suggest in any way what he or we should do with that anger. That is why in my view the song is so problematic.
So, Moz is angry. Why is he angry? Is he just stating his intention to get a stomach ulcer?
Or is he suggesting that we are all collectively missing an opportunity to get angry about what happened and do something about what happened?
To suggest that the song is nothing about that, is just ridiculous.

 

[Malarkey]

You keep making my point for me. It doesn't suggest in any way what he or we should do with that anger. That is why in my view the song is so problematic.
So, Moz is angry. Why is he angry? Is he just stating his intention to get a stomach ulcer?
Or is he suggesting that we are all collectively missing an opportunity to get angry about what happened and do something about what happened?
To suggest that the song is nothing about that, is just ridiculous.

Killing is illegal.

The killer would go to jail.

 

[Lucifer Sam]

I have no wish to add to any confusion, but it definitely wasn’t me who confused Malarkey with The Greatest.

Right, it was goinghome, not you. Sorry about the (initial) confusion. Because you're a guest, I couldn't "@" you, but I apologized in off-topic.

 

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If the song was attacking the flown in stars who sang it, I don't think anyone would mind. But the song sounds more like he's attacking the 'morons' who sang it spontaneously in the streets.

Show me the footage of people that are singing and swaying on the streets.



Morrissey must have been singing about this live event where people (more than one ) do ‘sing and sway’ and not the Saint Ann’s sq memorial.

 

[gashonthenail]

Show me the footage of people that are singing and swaying on the streets.



Morrissey must have been singing about this live event where people (more than one ) do ‘sing and sway’ and not the Saint Ann’s sq memorial.

Yes, that's probably who he had in mind. But the song doesn't really make that clear. The risk is he sounds being a bit nasty towards the grieving.

 

[gashonthenail]

That's a post entirely about me - so maybe put it in off-topic.

It wasn't Les Tameside.

Gash is using the thread to further his political agenda.

The thread is about a Daily Mail article by a journalist who hasn't heard the song but wrote about it because he'd read an article in the Spectator.

This is my political agenda:

Think for yourself.

Don't believe anything you are told by the media.

Do anything for your friends (within reason).

That's basically it.

Have never supported AMW or FB or any other political party. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I dabbled with socialism as a teenager, but 'faith' has never much appealed to me.

The last time I voted in the UK it was for a candidate from the 'Legalise Cannabis Party'. That party has since folded and is no more. I clearly backed a winner with my vote.

Sorry to disappoint you, Karen.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Yes, that's probably who he had in mind. But the song doesn't really make that clear. The risk is he sounds being a bit nasty towards the grieving.

Well it doesn’t read that he’s singing about the St Ann’s sq memorial that people have been erroneously pointing to that he is.

The lyrics seem to point to the ‘one love Manchester’ event.

Show me the ‘grieving’ here, except for one person that the camera zooms in on out of the thousands that are having a good time escaping (sorry, coping with) the recent tragedy