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My sources for what?Amongst fans, both here and at the 70 gigs I have attended, and your sources are?
My sources for what?Amongst fans, both here and at the 70 gigs I have attended, and your sources are?
Talking about cohesive arguments, here is an example of someone NOT making a cohesive argument:
^^^ Now, this was supposed to be an answer to this post of mine:
I don't see what connection, if any, exists between his answer and the point I was making? What was he trying to say? That it doesn't take guts to speak out one's mind in public? That Morrissey only does it because he's "not very well informed"? And by implication, Elvis was, so he wisely kept his mouth shut? So, if you're "well informed" and "connnected to reality", you won't say anything about any subject? Is that it?
OK, now, let's go further...
Several questions are unavoidable:
1) How can anyone be 'great on radio' if they supposedly never make a cohesive argument?!
2) Is this all about the way Morrissey looks into the camera when he's on TV, or about his debating skills, or about his how well informed he is? What is it about?
3) Does SouthpawGlamour have any point in this debate, or is he just arguing for the sake of it?
My sources for what?
Your belief that I am wrong about this.
How can they be both mainstream and left-wing? And what exactly is 'mainstream' about his views?Most celebrities mouth off all the time, proving that it does not take 'guts' to express an opinion. Morrissey's opinion are perfectly mainstream and left-wing.
Why exactly was that wise?Yes, Elvis was wise to keep quiet.
No, it might only cast doubts on his ability to be elected for a public office, if he was running for one.Moz's inability to cope with TV cameras casts serious doubt on his ability to publicly debate anything.
How can they be both mainstream and left-wing? And what exactly is 'mainstream' about his views?
Why exactly was that wise?
If you mean that it was wise because it guarantees more mainstream acceptance, then I agree.
No, it might only cast doubts on his ability to be elected for a public office, if he was running for one.
1) I don't see how my age is any of your business. Besides, judging by some of your previous discussions with some other posters, you are only interested in people's age if you think you can use it to insult them. I don't know if you would find me too old or too young, but I'm sure you'd find something bitchy to say either way. Not that I care, but tell me one reason why I should indulge you?btw How old are you and how long have you been a fan? have you been to gigs? have you seen many interviews?
The main things Moz makes a noise about are animal rights and anti-war/bush. These are mainstream views especially amongst celebs.
Moz is a very succesful mainstream artist.
It is wise to use your art, if thats where your skills are.
I will ask you politely to stop using 'rolls eyes' and insults in general.
The mainstream is LEFT WING.
Finally. I wonder why you couldn't do that 2 pages ago.End of conversation.
1) I don't see how my age is any of your business. Besides, judging by some of your previous discussions with some other posters, you are only interested in people's age if you think you can use it to insult them. I don't know if you would find me too old or too young, but I'm sure you'd find something bitchy to say either way. Not that I care, but tell me one reason why I should indulge you?
2) yes, I've been to one gig, when I finally had the chance to see him, in July last year, when he came to Serbia for the first time ever. (I could have maybe gone to the Zagreb gig the previous day. I wish I had the chance to go to 70 gigs, but that's practically impossible, see, just like the majority of people I know, I never travelled much, you need money and to get a visa, and that can be too complicated, I'm afraid. I would very gladly swapped places with you so I could go to so many gigs.
3) You want me to count them or to list them?! I've seen every interview that I could find on video - OK, let's see if I can make a list - the Edith Bowman one (great), the recent Culture Show, Jonathan Ross, Jools Holland 1995 and 2004, Music Box 1987, Margi Clarke, Spanish TV 1985, Earsay 1984 (the complete version circling on the Internet - my second-favourite interview), Tony Wilson 1985 Granada interview, Old Grey Whistle Test with The Smiths discussing Meat Is Murder, plus the 1987 promo video for Strangeways (my favourite), Les Enfants du Rock from French TV 1985 (excellent), Les Inrockuptibles 2006 (a very good one), MTV Cutting Edge (a very weird one), The Tube 1984 where he's talking about the debut, CNN 2004, Dave Fanning 2002 (another good one), the interview he gave at the V festival in Chelmsford in 2006 (he looked great and very relaxed in that one), the one from Norwegian TV from a couple of years ago, plus the 1987 Southbank Show documentary, the IOBM documentary, his part in the BBC show about punk and his parts from teh documentary on NY Dolls, and a few other old TV appearances that can't be classified as classic interviews (Moz and Marr at school, Charlie's Bus, Moz on Whistle test walking though Manchester and visiting his former school, etc.). I've probably forgotten to mention some...uh, listing them all is exhausting.
And if you're interested, I know many Morrissey fans, in 'real life' as well as online, and I only remember some people saying that he looked a bit nervous in the Jonathan Ross interview...that's all.
Is there anything else you want to know? My height, hair colour, show size, the last book I read, what I have just had for breakfast...?
Moz is not actually very well informed and its best if he gives monologues. Moz could be taken apart by any interviewer worth his salt. Partly because Moz isn't informed and is a bit nervous when face to face and partly because he lives a champagne lifestyle and is very disconnected from reality.
Its not about 'guts', 99per cent of stars never stop mouthing off and only show how thick they are.
Classic Moz moment (in importance of being moz) when he lifted the bust of Churchill and said 'how many did he send to their deaths'? Do you really think he has a reason for saying that? Could he really justify such a statement?
No, of course not, he just sounds off about things he feels emotional about.
I wonder how many of us would stand up to scrutiny if evey one of our comments were made public and analysed to pieces?
That's very true, we're all human after all. I guess I've been in quite a few environments where people would debate you saying the earth was round etc, and having every comment pulled to pieces. It certainly makes you question your opinions and consider your conclusions, but I don't think that happens to Morrissey much. Well, not in public at least.
No, Morrissey never gets scrutinised at all does he? Definitely not in public