Dave Haslam speaks out against the cancellation of Roisin Murphy

Says the person who trawls the internet for scraps of information that feed the narrative that Moz's career has been undermined by a homophobic conspiracy dating back to Madstock and stalks editors and SER with said information. You live in a glass house on that one, Karen. You're the biggest online vulture of them all.

Gash - I went back & read their shit articles & questioned their selective memories. If it wasn't true they could easily defend their pish - but it is - so they can't.

And SER should be aware that the people who creep into his notifications pretending to be fans of Morrissey have posted some disgusting things about him & I hope he gets away from it.
 
The thing about ethics is you have to stand by them not just say them. It seems she found saying them was easy but sticking to them was a stretch too far. I've been listening to her music since the early 2000s with Moloko and have seen her live a few times. I'm disappointed but it's sadly par for the course these days. One minute a celebrity is standing up and the next minute they're on their knees.

Morrissey seems to have the foresight to know
that apologizing or giving the media the explanation they want will simply be twisted and used against him. Which is one of the reasons why Morrissey finds himself in his current situation.

Is it bravery? is it more self-sabotage? Time will tell, i guess.
 
Morrissey seems to have the foresight to know
that apologizing or giving the media the explanation they want will simply be twisted and used against him. Which is one of the reasons why Morrissey finds himself in his current situation.

Is it bravery? is it more self-sabotage? Time will tell, i guess.
Never apologise. It only makes you more of a quarry.
 
Morrissey seems to have the foresight to know
that apologizing or giving the media the explanation they want will simply be twisted and used against him. Which is one of the reasons why Morrissey finds himself in his current situation.

Is it bravery? is it more self-sabotage? Time will tell, i guess.
I don't think you even need to be brave. You just have to be honest. It's a dark day when honesty requires bravery.
 
I see as well recently Alice Cooper got 'cancelled' for saying that trans was all a bit of a fad. It's a subject that few public figures will want to speak about, given the online bullying and, probably more importantly, the financial consequences that occur when they do.

I like Alice cooper, enjoy his music and he seems like a decent guy but that was a silly thing to say, he's an old straight man who probably doesn't know that much about the trans community. I just feel like unless you are transgender or have a lot of understanding of this stuff it's probably best not to pass comment? I'd imagine transgender people usually have difficult lives and face lots prejudice so personally I would always try to be kind to them. I don't know if what Roisin Murphy said is wrong / offensive or not to be honest, don't have enough knowledge I like some of her music though and hope it all gets sorted. As another poster said the internet is full of people shouting others down, getting very angry and refusing to meet in the middle it's always one side or the other with no middle ground and that's a shame.
 
I like Alice cooper, enjoy his music and he seems like a decent guy but that was a silly thing to say, he's an old straight man who probably doesn't know that much about the trans community. I just feel like unless you are transgender or have a lot of understanding of this stuff it's probably best not to pass comment? I'd imagine transgender people usually have difficult lives and face lots prejudice so personally I would always try to be kind to them. I don't know if what Roisin Murphy said is wrong / offensive or not to be honest, don't have enough knowledge I like some of her music though and hope it all gets sorted. As another poster said the internet is full of people shouting others down, getting very angry and refusing to meet in the middle it's always one side or the other with no middle ground and that's a shame.
He didn't do any shouting. He expressed some views on the subject, calmly and reasonably. All the shouting (and assaulting) seems to be done by extreme trans ideologues, who are an embarassment to most trans people I know.
A silly thing to say, you say? Suggesting that we need to be extra cautious where kids are concerned? Most kids are confused about their bodies and gender roles. As Julie Bindel very well puts it - is it any wonder lots of girls don't want to grow up to be young women? Young women have never been more sexualised and objectified. If I was a young girl, I'd be wanting referred to a gender clinic. Stop the world, I want to get off.
 
I see as well recently Alice Cooper got 'cancelled' for saying that trans was all a bit of a fad. It's a subject that few public figures will want to speak about, given the online bullying and, probably more importantly, the financial consequences that occur when they do.


Well, I DID just hear 'School's Out' on the radio this morning! :D So, there's hope yet!
 
In the future everyone will be cancelled for 15 minutes...
wish it would get a move on,i love the thought of being cancelled,never need to turn up to anything ever again,would get you out of funerals,weddings,works nights out,please please please let me get what i want.
 
wish it would get a move on,i love the thought of being cancelled,never need to turn up to anything ever again,would get you out of funerals,weddings,works nights out,please please please let me get what i want.
If getting out of social occasions is all you're looking for, you could just develop a serious heroin addiction - that would do the trick?
 
Stop the world, I want to get off.

'we all get thrown down the chimney of life and then thrown together for life, dark and smoke back upwards towards the light'

Don't worry, there are lots of people keeping an eye on things and many who have good judgement, we live through second hand information these days through the internet, this hasn't happened before in history. Things can seem worse than they are, and sometimes better than than are.
 
I like Alice cooper, enjoy his music and he seems like a decent guy but that was a silly thing to say, he's an old straight man who probably doesn't know that much about the trans community. I just feel like unless you are transgender or have a lot of understanding of this stuff it's probably best not to pass comment? I'd imagine transgender people usually have difficult lives and face lots prejudice so personally I would always try to be kind to them. I don't know if what Roisin Murphy said is wrong / offensive or not to be honest, don't have enough knowledge I like some of her music though and hope it all gets sorted. As another poster said the internet is full of people shouting others down, getting very angry and refusing to meet in the middle it's always one side or the other with no middle ground and that's a shame.
This video is interesting.
I think it supports what Cooper says. (Skip to 4:15 if it's too long)
Calling "trans" a fad or trendy seems to me to be an undeniable fact, not an opinion.
 
Calling "trans" a fad or trendy seems to me to be an undeniable fact, not an opinion.
The uk and america are 2 totally different countries, it may be different in the US. The social politics in america can sometimes be extreme. America is not the world, and its news it not like the uk.

It just seems like hate and over discrimination/cliche, which means over simplifing a group of people. Its not good to group people together, but people like to do so because it makes life easier. I don't like extreme ideologies, and think trans activists are really screwing things up, so many things I could say but I won't. Hate politicans too and hate news reports, just leave people alone. Very sad.
 
@RobLand It may be a fact, but what does that even mean??? Why do people copy each other, you can tell you does and who follows there own path very easily. Not all trans people are the same, the rainbow flag wasn't a great idea, why add so many letters and call it LGBT, what does that even mean to anybody? I am done.
 
Don't worry, there are lots of people keeping an eye on things and many who have good judgement, we live through second hand information these days through the internet, this hasn't happened before in history. Things can seem worse than they are, and sometimes better than than are.
Not sure about that. I think most people have always relied on second hand information, whether it was the town crier reading out a proclamation, or reading a pamphlet, which were all the rage a few hundred years ago. What is scary about the internet is the potential for total control and manipulation of what is on there. When you search something on Google - who determines what comes up in the search? If something does not come up in the search, does it cease to exist? Do 'history' and 'reality' become what is found online? And nothing more. The Orwellian potential of the internet is nightmarish. And we are already seeing this happen.
 
Not sure about that. I think most people have always relied on second hand information, whether it was the town crier reading out a proclamation, or reading a pamphlet, which were all the rage a few hundred years ago. What is scary about the internet is the potential for total control and manipulation of what is on there. When you search something on Google - who determines what comes up in the search? If something does not come up in the search, does it cease to exist? Do 'history' and 'reality' become what is found online? And nothing more. The Orwellian potential of the internet is nightmarish. And we are already seeing this happen.
yes its the ability to control and maniplulate reality, like think-speak and the erasal of the past. And the internet is so vast, you can type anything you want and something will appear, its vast and limitness, so it seems. I don't think a 18 th century pamphlet had quite the same effect, although there was always rumours and supicions, fears in god and symbols. I am not sure how much we have changed, just the technology. But the effects of screens and addiction and constant communication and exposure to the web and varied information and stimilus, reliance to screen technology has never been had in history, its a trial for younger people.
 
yes its the ability to control and maniplulate reality, like think-speak and the erasal of the past. And the internet is so vast, you can type anything you want and something will appear, its vast and limitness, so it seems. I don't think a 18 th century pamphlet had quite the same effect, although there was always rumours and supicions, fears in god and symbols. I am not sure how much we have changed, just the technology. But the effects of screens and addiction and constant communication and exposure to the web and varied information and stimilus, reliance to screen technology has never been had in history, its a trial for younger people.
Very true. Our brains have changed little since we were hunter gatherers. We like shiny, colourful things. The potential for making us all consumer addicts is huge.

 
Our friend Billy Bragg has joined the debate and declared that "them's the breaks" in regards to Roisin's comments about puberty blockers, which, ironically, are very much in line with current NHS policy.

Well, as someone on X commented, Billy Bragg only likes two kinds of women: women with immigrant background and men.
 
I don't know who this person is. Is she very famous?

She's an Irish singer/songwriter and bloody gorgeous. She used to be in an electro pop band called Moloko and has also had a relatively successful solo career.



 
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Our friend Billy Bragg has joined the debate and declared that "them's the breaks" in regards to Roisin's comments about puberty blockers, which, ironically, are very much in line with current NHS policy.

Well, as someone on X commented, Billy Bragg only likes two kinds of women: women with immigrant background and men.

Billy Bragg: a man of many safe (in current day terms) opinions. A mighty wealthy socialist, too. Oh, they're the best ones...
 
Our friend Billy Bragg has joined the debate and declared that "them's the breaks" in regards to Roisin's comments about puberty blockers, which, ironically, are very much in line with current NHS policy.

Well, as someone on X commented, Billy Bragg only likes two kinds of women: women with immigrant background and men.
Bragg is a c***. The woke left keep saying that free speech has 'consequences' in that really sinister way. That is the total point - free speech has 'consequences' for you in China, in Iran, in North Korea. Free speech should have no consequences for you in a free society - it should have no consequences on your job, on a contract with an employer, on your freedom from arrest etc. The only consequences should be whether people agree with you or not. But there should be no legal, or financial, or criminal consequences - that is the whole point of freedom of speech.
 
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