Spectator USA: "Human after all" by John Waters (August 5, 2020)

Human after all

What Morrissey always resisted was not so much respectability — the usual target of wannabe pop rebels — as normality and norms

spectator.us

Cited by Facebook Official later the same day:

Update:
The article now features on Morrissey Central:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN LIFE AS THE NEW NORMAL - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN LIFE AS THE NEW NORMAL

MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL

www.morrisseycentral.com

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

You & Reel do post extremely racist things - that damage Morrissey's reputation with anyone who thinks it's representative of the fanbase or in line with his views.

Which it's not.

I'm not speaking for anyone other than me. If talking about real-life events is uncomfortable for people - so be it.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

The majority of people just don't agree with you. Even immigrants think London is full and want stronger immigration controls. And yet more cross the Channel every day. There is nothing 'charming' about modern Britain. Somalian mothers are taking their sons back to Somalia to protect them from knife crime. That's modern Britain.

The majority do agree with me - not everything is perfect & you'll always find someone angry about an issue but that doesn't mean they buy into theories about race.

Old panics include devil dogs, road rage, satanic abuse... there's always something gripping the public imagination.

Read any history book or wade through the tortuous arguments made by the UK's founder & you'll see it has never been easy.

& it is charming to anyone who wants to do their own thing.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

There are a few wise words in that article but there's far too much fat that needs a serious trim.

It's a bit airy-fairy.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

I'm not speaking for anyone other than me. If talking about real-life events is uncomfortable for people - so be it.

It's not uncomfortable - I just recognize the white nationalist propaganda. Bombarding the internet with crime stories to frighten & enrage people.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

It's not uncomfortable - I just recognize the white nationalist propaganda. Bombarding the internet with crime stories to frighten & enrage people.

I'm not a white nationalist lolz. Major lolz in fact.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

It's not uncomfortable - I just recognize the white nationalist propaganda. Bombarding the internet with crime stories to frighten & enrage people.

Those stories's should frighten people. They should become engaged with what's really happening out in the world.

 

[marred]

It's a bit airy-fairy.

Airy fairy is fine, as long as one gets to the point and doesn't keep repeating one's self.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

Those stories's should frighten people. They should become engaged with what's really happening out in the world.

It's deliberately warping your perspective to further a political agenda - sometimes the agenda is chaos, mostly it's white nationalist.

I'm glad you're not a white nationalist - but you're putting your rage in the wrong place.

 

[gashonthenail]

The majority do agree with me - not everything is perfect & you'll always find someone angry about an issue but that doesn't mean they buy into theories about race.

Old panics include devil dogs, road rage, satanic abuse... there's always something gripping the public imagination.

Read any history book or wade through the tortuous arguments made by the UK's founder & you'll see it has never been easy.

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& it is charming to anyone who wants to do their own thing.

You don't think Brexit was a referendum on open borders? Really? You're deluding yourself.
Your middle class contempt for the experience of Somalian immigrants is shocking. The knife crime epidemic is all just 'panic'? The social experiment of multiculturalism has been a massive failure. But the mainstream media will never admit it. You will never admit it.

 

[marred]

It's deliberately warping your perspective to further a political agenda - sometimes the agenda is chaos, mostly it's white nationalist.

I'm glad you're not a white nationalist - but you're putting your rage in the wrong place.

Have you been watching the chaos? They aren't white nationalists.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

Have you been watching the chaos? They aren't white nationalists.

The propaganda is.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

You don't think Brexit was a referendum on open borders? Really? You're deluding yourself.
Your middle class contempt for the experience of Somalian immigrants is shocking. The knife crime epidemic is all just 'panic'? The social experiment of multiculturalism has been a massive failure. But the mainstream media will never admit it. You will never admit it.

It wasn't just about open borders - no.

Brexit vote explained: poverty, low skills and lack of opportunities

This report provides unprecedented insight into the dynamics of the 2016 vote to leave the EU, showing how a lack of opportunity across the country led to Brexit.

www.jrf.org.uk

If you believe in race theories then you're the one with contempt issues about Somalians.

Yes - when you excessively focus on a particular crime or type of criminal - it's a moral panic.

Pluralism isn't a 'social experiment' it's the product of political & economic change - mass production, war - etc etc.

There are plenty of debates about culture, resources, economics & mass immigration - but your overarching theory about races isn't getting traction because it's not sound.

 

[gashonthenail]

It wasn't just about open borders - no.

Brexit vote explained: poverty, low skills and lack of opportunities

This report provides unprecedented insight into the dynamics of the 2016 vote to leave the EU, showing how a lack of opportunity across the country led to Brexit.

www.jrf.org.uk

If you believe in race theories then you're the one with contempt issues about Somalians.

Yes - when you excessively focus on a particular crime or type of criminal - it's a moral panic.

Pluralism isn't a 'social experiment' it's the product of political & economic change - mass production, war - etc etc.

There are plenty of debates about culture, resources, economics & mass immigration - but your overarching theory about races isn't getting traction because it's not sound.

I don't believe in race theories at all. Race is a social construct with no basis in biology. I believe that society and culture have meaning and that multiculturalism is based on the Thatcherite idea that there is no such thing as society and we're all just consumers. Across Europe the evidence that multiculturalism has been a terrible failure is overwhelming. It used to be a socialist idea to be against immigration. When did it become a tenet of socialism to be in favour of cheap labour and low wages?

 

[Deleted member 29417]

I don't believe in race theories at all. Race is a social construct with no basis in biology. I believe that society and culture have meaning and that multiculturalism is based on the Thatcherite idea that there is no such thing as society and we're all just consumers. Across Europe the evidence that multiculturalism has been a terrible failure is overwhelming. It used to be a socialist idea to be against immigration. When did it become a tenet of socialism to be in favour of cheap labour and low wages?

The evidence isn't overwhelming - & how could it be worse than the fights Europe has had over borders, resources, religion, politics? How could it be worse than the Reformation, the French Revolution, the first world war, the second world war & the cold war?

Cultures don't spring up fully formed - they're pretty robust.

There are lifestyle changes to do with the free market economy & post-structuralism does make everything feel more unstable than it needs to be... plus civil rights claims have a tendency to annoy people esp if they feel their own needs are neglected - people violently hated feminism & look at the state it's in.

There's no need to panic about migrants or knife crime or think the roof is caving in because of visible difference - it's the same old. It'll be something else in 30 years time.

Moz actually loves all this confrontational stuff - but he seems to have seen some Islamic State beheading videos & had a wobble (which is, to be fair, exactly what those videos are designed to do).

Old panic:

 

[Deleted member 29227]

The evidence isn't overwhelming - & how could it be worse than the fights Europe has had over borders, resources, religion, politics? How could it be worse than the Reformation, the French Revolution, the first world war, the second world war & the cold war?

Cultures don't spring up fully formed - they're pretty robust.

There are lifestyle changes to do with the free market economy & post-structuralism does make everything feel more unstable than it needs to be... plus civil rights claims have a tendency to annoy people esp if they feel their own needs are neglected - people violently hated feminism & look at the state it's in.

There's no need to panic about migrants or knife crime or think the roof is caving in because of visible difference - it's the same old. It'll be something else in 30 years time.

Moz actually loves all this confrontational stuff - but he seems to have seen some Islamic State beheading videos & had a wobble (which is, to be fair, exactly what those videos are designed to do).

Old panic:

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Cross-armed at The Palms?

 

[Deleted member 29417]

Cross-armed at The Palms?

Yes.

Younger him was fascinated by aggro of all kinds.

 

[Vegan Cro Spirit .777]

Yes.

Younger him was fascinated by aggro of all kinds.

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the riff raff that cant find work elsewhere is OUR strength?
WTF?????

they cant find work in a backwards area AND so they smuggle themselves here without permission to find some dole and THAT
is our strength?

 

[Deleted member 29417]

the riff raff that cant find work elsewhere is OUR strength?
WTF?????

they cant find work in a backwards area AND so they smuggle themselves here without permission to find some dole and THAT
is our strength?

Toots - it was Morrissey who didn't want a job & the already resident working-class who became unemployed when the UK shut down most of its industry.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

The evidence isn't overwhelming - & how could it be worse than the fights Europe has had over borders, resources, religion, politics? How could it be worse than the Reformation, the French Revolution, the first world war, the second world war & the cold war?

Cultures don't spring up fully formed - they're pretty robust.

There are lifestyle changes to do with the free market economy & post-structuralism does make everything feel more unstable than it needs to be... plus civil rights claims have a tendency to annoy people esp if they feel their own needs are neglected - people violently hated feminism & look at the state it's in.

There's no need to panic about migrants or knife crime or think the roof is caving in because of visible difference - it's the same old. It'll be something else in 30 years time.

Moz actually loves all this confrontational stuff - but he seems to have seen some Islamic State beheading videos & had a wobble (which is, to be fair, exactly what those videos are designed to do).

Old panic:

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Because it destroys the host culture. It's pretty obvious.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

The evidence isn't overwhelming - & how could it be worse than the fights Europe has had over borders, resources, religion, politics? How could it be worse than the Reformation, the French Revolution, the first world war, the second world war & the cold war?

Cultures don't spring up fully formed - they're pretty robust.

There are lifestyle changes to do with the free market economy & post-structuralism does make everything feel more unstable than it needs to be... plus civil rights claims have a tendency to annoy people esp if they feel their own needs are neglected - people violently hated feminism & look at the state it's in.

There's no need to panic about migrants or knife crime or think the roof is caving in because of visible difference - it's the same old. It'll be something else in 30 years time.

Moz actually loves all this confrontational stuff - but he seems to have seen some Islamic State beheading videos & had a wobble (which is, to be fair, exactly what those videos are designed to do).

Old panic:

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In 30 yrs...........the Britain that i and Moz knew will be a long distant memory.