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davidt
on Saturday September 13 2008, @10:00AM
Alistair Stevenson writes:
Today's Guardian newspaper (London) includes a story about celebrities remembered by their teachers, that includes Morrissey
Fame Academy - The Guardian They grew up to become stars of stage and screen, of literature and politics, of art and sport. But what were today's celebrities like as children? Did they already have that spark that sets them apart? We track down their former teachers to find out Morrissey (aka Steven Patrick Morrissey) St Marys secondary modern, Stretford, Manchester, 1970-75. Aileen Power, English and art teacher Steven had longish, curly hair, like an art student. I suppose he was reclusive, but the word that springs to mind is reverie - he was in his own world. I don't remember him as being opinionated and he certainly wasn't vociferous. But you realise that maybe things hit home that surfaced later on. I was and am very keen on the pro-life thing, and I showed the children pictures of aborted foetuses. Years later, he attended an anti-abortion rally, and obviously his revulsion for slaughter led him to champion animal rights. Steven had a soft, sonorous voice, and a couple of PE teachers said he was "limp-wristed". In The Headmaster Ritual, he sings about the brutality of his schooldays, but that's dramatisation. He was never in trouble, but the strap was used - probably too much. There was a coldness - if you were going to be punished, you went silently to the housemaster. It was quite brutal. Steven wasn't the cleverest, but he was a deep thinker. He had a feeling for English and literature, as well as for art. He had a sensitivity. I would have expected him to become a poet, but he surprised me with the music because we didn't have a music department. When he played at the Apollo, I wanted to find out what person he'd become. It was surreal, trying to link the artist with the reserved, seemingly strait-laced student. But perhaps he was always simmering, waiting to explode."
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yum... mmmmm.... delicious... (Score:1)
That's what she said.
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limp-wristed boy (Score:1)
"limp-wristed". Oh my.
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hmm (Score:0)
Just wondering (Score:0)
abortion and animal rights (Score:0)
Pro-Life? (Score:0)
Horrible Picture... (Score:0)
Also, would really like any info in Moz's supposed Pro-Life stance, I really don't believe it.
the strap? (Score:0)
Now.....where's my machete?
Interesting, thanks (Score:1)
Hmmm...it's an English class (not a biology one) and the teacher brings up bottled dead foetuses in it... it's probably effective in trying to turn students into anti-abortion freaks; but it's rather a morbid way of doing it, if you ask me (although nobody is asking me, but this is a comment space). I'd show pictures, or slides, of living foetuses inside the womb, if I wanted to express my anti-abortion views. And, if you ask me again, he could be extrapolating when he says that Morrissey's revulsion for aborted foetuses made Morrissey a vegeterian. Just because you love animals, it doesn't mean you instantly associate them with embrions or stem cells. I eat eggs. Eggs are supposed to be potential life. But I wouldn't eat a chicken. But chickens have eyes, heart, nerves and brains, while eggs do not.
Why did such an interview, on Morrissey's distant past, with an old English teacher of his, come up anyway?
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The Headmaster Ritual (Score:0)
So Morrissey was 'in his own world' huh? Who would've thunk it.
Only serves to offer further insight into why Morrissey penned 'The Headmaster Ritual'.
Catholic horrors (Score:1)
Catholic school, we were too actually made to
see images of aborted foetuses as well as
being taken to the library one day without
being told what we were about to see, and then
shown a film of a woman giving birth.
I think in the same year we were also sent to a talk on the 'rythym method'. So that if we weren't forever put off having sex from seeing the first two things, we could always use the rythym method, although, of course catholics aren't supposed to have sex before they are married....all I can say is that Morrissey had a pretty normal catholic education.
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limp wristed are u saying moz is gay??? (Score:1)
HA!
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Tachers are afraid of the pupils! (Score:1)
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Teachers (Score:1)
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i've gone right off him (Score:0)
Teacher-pupil confidentiality. (Score:0)
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Thirty-Three Years is a Long Time (Score:1)
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Morrissey's English teacher.. (Score:0)
- ".. he certainly wasn't vociferous.."
Morrissey's English teacher was better than mine!!
Sheridan
Those who can't, teach. (Score:1)
The mighty Oscar Wilde, (whom you might have heard about) once said: "There are two types of teachers: astoundingly bad ones, who belong in a classroom as much as I belong in a Miss Universe contest, do their very very worst as far as education is concerned, and, once retired, boast to the Guardian about it like a silly old cow. And others."
So, I wonder, (forgive my curiosity! It's just, well- I'm so impressed!): d'you remember Oscar as a pupil? What was he like??
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I suppose it's mildly interesting (Score:1)
None of my former students have gone onto fame and glory (RSC, Bristol Vic, the usual slots on Casualty, daytime soap and some undistinguished Brit-flicks) but when they do I'll be on hand to pretend I remember loads about them.
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Belligerent Ghouls (Score:1)
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English teachers in England are nuts (Score:1)
Pround to be a product of an American public school.
Class of 85 Mustangs Rule!
Andrew
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Obama is more pro-abortion than NARAL!!!!!! (Score:0)
12/26/2006
Sen. Barack Obama (D.-Ill.) portrays himself as a thoughtful Democrat who carefully considers both sides of controversial issues, but his radical stance on abortion puts him further left on that issue than even NARAL Pro-Choice America.
In 2002, as an Illinois legislator, Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, which would have protected babies that survived late-term abortions. That same year a similar federal law, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, was signed by President Bush. Only 15 members of the U.S. House opposed it, and it passed the Senate unanimously on a voice vote.
Both the Illinois and the federal bill sought equal treatment for babies who survived premature inducement for the purpose of abortion and wanted babies who were born prematurely and given live-saving medical attention.
When the federal bill was being debated, NARAL Pro-Choice America released a statement that said, “Consistent with our position last year, NARAL does not oppose passage of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act
But Obama voted against this bill in the Illinois senate and killed it in committee. Twice, the Induced Infant Liability Act came up in the Judiciary Committee on which he served. At its first reading he voted “present.” At the second he voted “no.”
The bill was then referred to the senate’s Health and Human Services Committee, which Obama chaired after the Illinois Senate went Democratic in 2003. As chairman, he never called the bill up for a vote.
Jill Stanek, a registered delivery-ward nurse who was the prime mover behind the legislation after she witnessed aborted babies’ being born alive and left to die, testified twice before Obama in support of the Induced Infant Liability Act bills. She also testified before the U.S. Congress in support of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.
Stanek told me her testimony “did not faze” Obama.
In the second hearing, Stanek said, “I brought pictures in and presented them to the committee of very premature babies from my neonatal resuscitation book from the American Pediatric Association, trying to show them unwanted babies were being cast aside. Babies the same age were being treated if they were wanted!”
“And those pictures didn’t faze him [Obama] at all,” she said.
At the end of the hearing, according to the official records of the Illinois State senate, Obama thanked Stanek for being “very clear and forthright,” but said his concern was that Stanek had suggested “doctors really don’t care about children who are being born with a reasonable prospect of life because they are so locked into their pro-abortion views that they would watch an infant that is viable die.” He told her, “That may be your assessment, and I don’t see any evidence of that. What we are doing here is to create one more burden on a woman and I can’t support that.”
As a senator, Obama has opposed measures to criminalize those who transport minors across state lines for the purpose of obtaining an abortion.
At a townhall meeting in Ottawa, Ill., Joanne Resendiz, a teacher and mother of five, asked him: “How are you going to vote on this, keeping in mind that 10, 15 years down the line your daughters, God forbid, could be transported across state lines?”
Obama said: “The decision generally is one that a woman should make.”
Why is Moz afraid to speak about abortion today? (Score:0)
Let's hear it, Morrissey. Is it right or wrong to kill an unborn baby, in your judgment? Are you okay with abortion babies today? Or are you afraid to speak out against aborting babies today because the European press will attack you?
It would be nice to find out if Morrissey cares as much about unborn human babies as he does about ants, rodents, and fish.
Yet he's afraid to say a word on the subject.
He was braver before he was famous, apparently, if we're to believe his teacher.
clever deep thinking (Score:0)
That's a typical teacher label to say that somebody was not clever. But how does that teacher explain how a deep thinker is not clever? Is the "-est" the key, were there children whose thinking had been less busy with thinking about troubles at home and around them? It amazes me that teachers invariably don't see that circumstances have an effect on somebody's thinking. An upper class child for example with no financial or otherwise troubles at home that gets all the support it wants with its homework will almost invariably be a better learner than a child with the same brain with an even just slightly troubled working class background. How about making at least the school experience enjoyable so that the child can leave the troubles at the gates and focus while it is within the building?
contradictions (Score:0)
But other than that I think her report is quite intriguing, and shows how the public have always pigeonholed, and misinterpreted Morrissey due to his solitary ways.
I find the end of this quite appealing.
Perhaps he was always 'simmering, waiting to explode'
Oh you handsome devil... (Score:0)
Since another teacher supposedly informed this one that our beloved was indeed gay, how would one know?
Who will swallow......
The rest, well, let us leave it to the imagination.
I wish Morrissey would do something. (Score:0)
More news items, please. I'm bored.
A tragic reminiscence... (Score:1)
A school with a history of physical brutality and philistine instincts, OUR Steven Patrick didn't belong there - but his parents weren't in a position to send him to a private school where his abilities and talents would have been nurtured and cultivated.
That he survived such a brutal regime is a great testament to his resilience and strength of character.
That his P.E teachers referred to him as 'limp wristed' reveals more about their bigotry than it does about him. Teachers, in my experience, are invariably ignorant; and have no idea about family dysfunction or teenage psychology, and oftentimes do not realize that their students are quiet and reserved as consequence of family dysfunction and domestic abuse/violence. He didn't deserve to go to that school and they didn't deserve to have such a sensitive wallflower as one of their pupils.
Far from being 'limp wristed' he was a young man of great strength, both physical and intellectual. Why else would he have been 'frog marched' into entering the 100ms at the annual school games? Only because he had reputation for being athletic and the school 'sprinter'.
The school he attended has been raised to the ground but his career has flourished. What more needs to be said?
Viva Morrissey - r.i.p Stretford Secondary Modern and all its erstwhile narrow minded bigoted teachers!
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Worrying (Score:0)
Aborted in the USA (Score:0)
yes (Score:1)
McCain '08
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Our Lady of Sorrows.... (Score:1)
This is an interesting suject, and it would be preferable if you had the guts to state your username at least, since you are pointing the finger about balls and bravery! Please don't take any offence, I understand there are some tense situtions in here and you have your reasons for anonymity. Speaking as a woman, I think (abortion) is a subject that is hard for men to understand sometimes. That is probably why Steven Morrissey has not spoken about it very much. I also actually believe it is very much in the women's realm and anyone who has been previously catholic knows there are a lot of feelings of guilt and sorrow associated thus. This is hard to put into words, but some of the catholic tenets; having been forcibly taught to children at a very tender age leave some deep questions unanswered as far as the female sex goes. I have nothing positive to say about the oppression and denegration of women in the name of the church and the patriarchal silence in the face of such suffering is something which surely needs to be aired and given a good beating......
mauve21 -- Friday September 19 2008, @06:41PM (#311961) I had to get it out of my system......I bet there are other people in here who understand what I mean.....
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not the cleverest (Score:1)
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English (Score:0)
"twat"
to all the moaners... (Score:0)
Does anyone expect any other famous singer to speak out on the subject?
How about Madonna, Kylie, Girls Aloud ? I don't hear them shouting about it...Umm...Bono, Bruce Springstein, Paul Weller...No, can't say i've heard their views on the subject either...
SO WHY THE FUCK SHOULD MORRISSEY HAVE TO AIR HIS VIEWS ON THE SUBJECT. He's a singer, not a politician. He is also entitled to his opinions - even if they happen to not be the same as yours! But he is also entitled to keep his opinions to himself and his close friends...
A Clapp circuit is often preferred (Score:1)
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Re:Years of Refusal (Score:1)
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