posted by davidt on Thursday July 31 2008, @12:00PM
davdavon writes:
Or more correctly, some interview bits and mostly Gal Uchovsky's memoirs from the interview, which are not that different from the Lior Ashkenazi ones published last week. Here.

It's in Hebrew. Translation in 5 parts posted in the forums.


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  • Ha! At your own peril...
    Jealous of Youth -- Thursday July 31 2008, @12:07PM (#308723)
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    "so many women, my head should be spinning. Ah, but no..."
  • Great interview! Finally, Morrissey talks about his problem of having such a large scrotum and the necessity of wearing 2 pairs of underwear for extra support. Morrissey also mentions that he always has his own toilet paper on hand when using public restrooms. It is nice to hear something besides the usual stuff and Morrissey delivers. Check out the interview!
    Anonymous -- Thursday July 31 2008, @12:42PM (#308733)
  • Its not baby seals, but children being killed by Israeli forces:

    From The Guardian 30/07/08

    Ahmed Moussa planted bright new Palestinian flags around his village of Naalin earlier this week in a show of national pride - but he may as well have been preparing for his own funeral.

    Today his small body, hoisted on to the shoulders of the young men in his village as they marched to his parents' house before the burial, was wrapped in the red, white, green and black flag. At the age of 10, Moussa had become a national martyr.

    The road outside his house was renamed The Hero Martyr and the walls of the town were sprayed with slogans and posters lionising his death.

    But apart from his enthusiastic support for Naalin's protest against the West Bank barrier, Moussa's interests were typical of most children his age.

    He loved playing football, watching cartoons and making slings to hurl stones. The morning before he was shot by an Israeli soldier, he was playing marbles in the street.

    In a conflict that has claimed the lives of four Israeli children and 60 Palestinian children so far this year, Moussa's death highlights not only the growing violence between Israel's military and Naalin's residents but the loss of childhood innocence.

    After joining the village's protest against the barrier on Tuesday morning, when protesters hurled rocks and Israeli soldiers retaliated with tear gas and rubber bullets, Moussa returned to the area later in the afternoon. He was killed by Israeli gunfire. A postmortem examination yesterday established that a live bullet caused his death.

    News of Moussa's death spread quickly around the village by the public announcement system, fuelling anger and riots between the residents and the army until around midnight.

    Naalin's almost daily protests against Israel's barrier, which protects the nearby Jewish settlements built illegally on West Bank Palestinian land, typically operates in two shifts.

    In response to the announcement over the village PA system, the residents gather in the morning near the fence and attempt block the construction work. After a few hours, they disperse. When the labourers leave in the afternoon, children and youths often return to sabotage what they can, which is what Moussa and several other children and teenagers were doing when an Israeli army jeep started driving towards them late Tuesday afternoon.

    "The shebab [young boys] were looking for a place to escape to because they were stuck between the fence and barbed wire," said Saed Amirah, 16, who had also returned to the protest area in the late afternoon.

    "Meanwhile, the jeep was getting closer and closer. We started running away but the younger children couldn't run as fast, they were still near the fence. Then the driver of the jeep got out and shot three live bullets. We heard the bullets and then we saw a young boy on the ground," Amirah said.

    While Israel's army is conducting an investigation into the incident, villagers have concluded the use of live ammunition was deliberate.

    Video evidence showing a soldier shooting a Naalin man, who was blindfolded and cuffed, at close range and the subsequent suspension of an officer, accused of ordering the attack, has reinforced their suspicions.

    But Moussa, fondly referred to by neighbours as, Hamada, his village nickname, was all too aware of the danger of joining in the protests.

    His 13-year-old brother, Yazin, has been struck five times this year by rubber bullets. His right shoulder is grazed and red after being hit by one on Tuesday when Moussa died.

    A neighbour, Om Nabil, said Moussa had stuffed his pockets with onions before going to the protest in anticipation of the military firing tear gas.

    "I said, 'don't go, you are young'. He said, 'no, I'm going, just give me the onions'."

    Indeed, scores of Israeli soldiers and police officers have been injured by protesters hurling stones and other projectiles.
    Still, the mourners at the funeral y
    Anonymous -- Thursday July 31 2008, @12:52PM (#308736)
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  • and not to touch Mr. Morrissey!
    Anonymous -- Thursday July 31 2008, @01:32PM (#308750)
  • Morrissey wasn’t letting go of his ‘bitching and moaning’ about Kylie either on Tuesday, spitting ‘crashing bore, Kylie’ a couple of times when he got to that song! I don’t know if his mention at the concert of Turkey and Norway in favourable comparison to Israel’s performance was about football, the Eurovision?? but essentially these comments are Morrissey being himself, sharing what he’s interested in and not intervening any further in difficult matters that he doesn’t have to live through, being neutrally companionable and elevating in his art for the time he was there. I think that’s what people yearned for from him most.

    It wasn’t a silly question either about whether he could walk the streets without police intrusion. I was submitted to the kind of experience that he described at the hands of the FBI a few years ago, on my return journey at Ben Gurion airport. I think hackles went up at the sight of a stamp on my passport from Northern Africa where I visited last year, followed by the impertinent interrogation, the torturously meticulous bag search and the pat-down which in all took over an hour.

    Last week a tourguide arranged for us to visit Bethlehem, in Palestine, and out of bounds for Israelis. The tension was palpable, and the infrastructure was more neglected than in Israeli quarters. We were told to walk straight ahead, not to speak to anyone or even look at them. Amnesty International is now raising the cause of Palestinians by highlighting the insult of the wall/fence, lack of freedom of movement, and the extension of Israeli settlements beyond agreements.

    It’s very complicated. The story of the Jews, falling into place more sensibly having visited the Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem and the Diaspora Museum in Tel Aviv, is surely epic. They did lay claim to a lot of this land over 2000 years ago, and then many were scattered to the four winds forever afterwards, more often than not ill-treated and subject to charges of inferiority and inhumanity, like black people in the last century, though usually contributing richly to the economies and cultures of the places where they found temporary refuge. Thomas Herzl pioneered the Zionist movement in the late 19th century which was given its strongest impetus by Hitler’s attempt at eradication much like Judas did for Jesus. This brought accumulated injustices into focus and the world community backed their desire for a homeland. Why not? Everyone else was at it at the time; the Irish republican state was declared in 1949, a year later, as well. Look at maps around the world since medieval times, and borders would be unrecognizable plus new countries springing up and others disappearing, from century to century.

    The Israelis are very industrious and have worked miracles reclaiming desert land in the country. There is something in the Bible about the Jews, the Chosen People, being a light onto the nations, and this is the challenge, that in their generous protection and sponsorship from the most powerful countries, their sense of entitlement does not bulge so much that these past victims do not become the oppressors. What a breakthrough for them and onlookers it would be if they could fairly and honourably accommodate their different neighbours with whom they share property history, if not lifestyles. Amos Oz, one of their own, in a long essay entitled “How to cure a fanatic” proposed that the fighting is fundamentally about securing property for survival. Muslims are mainly warm friendly people but nobody can withstand daily despite and encroachment by far better-equipped forces without some bitterness. The war is as much psychological as anything else.

    I conversed at length with an open-minded young chap who only recently completed his stint in the army. He was stationed in Gaza for a while and related a tale about a raid after bombing by the other side. His unit had to change plans abruptly when an explosion went off in their path but as it was night, they couldn’t see where they were going. He ordered the tank to stop when it cr
    goinghome -- Thursday July 31 2008, @04:29PM (#308778)
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  • A 44-pound cat, found wandering the southern New Jersey community of Voorhees last Saturday, is seen July 28 in Sicklerville, N.J. The cat's owners have until Aug. 2, 2008, to reclaim her; then, she'll be up for adoption.
    Turns out, the economy is the reason a 44-pound cat found lumbering the streets of New Jersey became homeless.

    The Camden County Animal Shelter says the cat's owner came forward to say she had to abandon the tubby tabby because her home was foreclosed.

    Anonymous -- Thursday July 31 2008, @08:40PM (#308807)
  • That cover photo is very reminiscent of an NME cover from the mid-eighties where everything is monochrome other than those blue eyes. On the NME cover he holds up his hand to show a stigmata - as I recall? Yamaha
    Anonymous -- Thursday July 31 2008, @11:25PM (#308812)

  • Does anyone have the issue number and/or date for this?.

    thanks,
    Stephane
    Stephane -- Friday August 01 2008, @09:33AM (#308829)
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  • Or was he just flirting with the male interviewer, whilst flashing his phoney blue contact lens?

    I'd guess, the latter.

    PLF Still not dead, nor ill!
    Anonymous -- Friday August 01 2008, @10:54AM (#308845)
  • your life.

    What happened to Palestine mate?
    They could not care less about goldbergs steinbergs or any other fuckin berg your record company trumps up

    Irene

    FREE PALESTINE!
    Anonymous -- Friday August 01 2008, @11:45AM (#308855)
  • it sounds
    Must be in the genes
    Anonymous -- Friday August 01 2008, @12:53PM (#308860)
  • Homophobia and hate speach is a criminal offence in the UK, seeing as this website can be reached in the uk, I suggest that you ban Irene from posting on this forum for the folling posts:

    post 1: No pork allowed guys

    Be as gay as you like, so long its stuffed with beef

    Queer fucks

    May your

    God forgive you

    Mine wont

    Queer freakin bastards

    post 2:Cos you are filthy disgusting bastards
    Who wanted strangling at birth

    a man who finds need to stick it up another mans arse is filth

    Irene
    Anonymous -- Friday August 01 2008, @02:40PM (#308868)
  • This is a very interesting read, for so many reasons.

    Morrissey has a million lines of defense, and poor Gal couldn't breach any of them.

    I love the end, when Gal says that even Morrissey can't get between him and The Smiths. That really is the best way to have a relationship with a pop star - they sing, you listen, and the love affair lasts forever...

    Anaesthesine -- Saturday August 02 2008, @08:24AM (#308900)
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    If Moz did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
  • Yet more fairweather fans Morrissey is off pandering too. Yawn... Morrissey should have never turned his back on his original white fans, to solicit favor from the Mexicans, Jews and whatever ethnic 3rd world flavor of the month might come next. Moz is just following the money, how shallow.
    Anonymous -- Saturday August 02 2008, @08:33AM (#308901)
  • with Morrissey now. I'm still in my teens and I only became a fan during the YATQ years. Its sad to say but the man that became such a big part of my life is now becoming rather disappointing and irrelevant. To say NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, about the Israeli/Palestinian situation was the most stupid and self-centred decision he's ever made.
    This is a man who for years spoke for the oppressed, who spoke out on issues regardless of the controversy it would cause. He still appears to in a way. George Bush and Kylie Minogue though are easy targets. He's spoke out against the UK and US states in the past, why not Israel? He knows fine well what's going on over there. Yet not a peep. But it appears his conscience is clear because he boycotts Canada for the clubbing of seals. He seems to value animals more than people. To punish Canada for that yet ignore atrocities committed by many other states, such as Israel, is truly shocking.
    The Morrissey, even of a few years ago, would have said something, but its almost as if somethings changed with him now, its almost as if he's, dare i say it, "sold out". Its almost as if he, to quote his own words, can't reach us anymore. Maybe thats what he was trying to tell us.
    I've not given up on Morrissey. I still love the man. He seems the only person to understand me, his music speaks to me like no artist can. I owe him. But I feel as though I'm somehow losing him, I feel as though he just doesn't care anymore. Sometimes I feel as though all he's interested in is the money now. And thats sad. Thats against what everything Morrissey said to me about my life.
    Anonymous -- Saturday August 02 2008, @09:54AM (#308905)
  • well it seems morrissey is no better than the kylie minogues of this world. did he mention the palestinians once during his tour of israel. i have no problem with him going to israel, but not to talk about the great big elephant shitting in the corner of the room does betray a real cowardice. i love his music but he has shown himself to be the very thing he despises,
    thicker than pigshit, nothing to convey, so scared to show intelligent thought, it might smear his precious career, well you said it mate.
    andyk -- Saturday August 02 2008, @11:01AM (#308908)
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  • where's you mama gone
    far far away
    far far away
    last night i heard about singin a song
    oeh weeh, chirpy chirpy cheep cheep

    oh my I was 6 [so cant remember the proper english words, growing up in southern Netherlands]
    Celibate Cry <[email protected]> -- Monday August 04 2008, @07:38AM (#309031)
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    and the hills are alive with celibate cries
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