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on Wednesday February 14 2007, @11:00AM
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Joyce v Morrisey & Ors [1998] EWCA Civ 1711 (6 November 1998) - Bailii.org
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Court Transcripts... (Score:1)
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Thank You (Score:1)
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uneven ground? (Score:0)
Holy cow! Isn't that a bad thing to say about a system that's supposed to be impartial?
This is not the full case details (Score:0)
Why now? (Score:1)
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case (Score:0)
All England Law Reports (Score:1)
Try as might (and, as a lawyer, I have access to a number of subscription only legal databases), I have not been able to find the judgement online.
I do, however, recall reading the judgement back in the 1990s whilst at Law School and I have to admit, it does make interesting reading.
Maybe I'm biased, but (the Partnership Act notwithstanding) I am still 110% behind Morrissey & Marr. If only they'd had the foresight to put everything in writing!
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wish i was.. (Score:1)
but i won't judge, i won't
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Robbed (Score:0)
How sad it has been to see Joyce decending into a money making machine (or trying !) because over £200k is surely enough for anyone, never mind £500k + Where has it all gone ?
Living off another person is a joke and a sad way to live a life. It's all very sad. It's sad and depressing and annoying and a total joke. Sad and true. What a joke Joyce has made of the Smiths entire musical legacy and memories. It gives a sour taste in the mouth just writing about it here today.
pay up (Score:1)
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Very bored of all this now (Score:1)
Whether he or anyone else likes it, Mike Joyce was a full-time, highly important member of The Smiths. Even if he'd been a full-time kazoo player, he'd have still been a member of The Smiths. I class the band as a four-piece, and always have done.
There's always this snobbery about singers and songwriters being more important than drummers, but you only have to listen to the songs to recognise quite how fantastic some of the drumming is. In some cases - This Night Has Opened My Eyes springing very much to mind - Joyce's drumming actually makes the song.
Okay, so Moz and Marr did the bulk of the media work, and Johnny took on a lot of the admin/management stuff, but that doesn't make Rourke or Joyce any less a part of the band. Maybe there should've been costings done to physically pay Moz and Marr for the extra duties they undertook, but - still - Mike Joyce was an integral member of the band, and anyone that says different is an utter tool. Moz/Marr 40%/40%, Rourke/Joyce 10%/10% for me isn't right, and while 25% each seems excessive, I think something like 30%/30%, 20%/20% is reasonable.
I think a lot of people have blindly assumed that Joyce is claiming for a share of songwriting and publishing royalties, which obviously isn't the case. People can catcall him, but how would you feel if you'd recorded, toured and lived The Smiths for 5 years only to have history try and tell you that you were classed as little more than a hired hand?
Not that I actually care about this any more. The thing that really rankles is when Mike Joyce gets a bad press from people because he keeps trying to get his money.
It's unbelievably sad that it reached court, and it's even sadder that a decade later we're still talking about the court case.
Morrissey made his bed though, let's not forget.
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So is it true... (Score:1)
It's not that important of course, I'm just quite curious as it confirms Moz's slightly dodgy bitter attitude towards Mike Joyce and ex-band members in general. Still, you have to love him!
Also, on another point, how rich do people think Morrissey is? Do you think that 25% of recording royalties would make a huge difference to his wealth and that he is only holding back out of bitterness?
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LA Weekly (Score:0)
"After so many crises — from the drug and personnel problems of the Smiths (who broke up in 1987, after guitarist Johnny Marr quit), to the legal fights among bandmates for royalties (now sorted), to label troubles, Morrissey has, for the moment anyway, achieved what appears to be a smoothly functioning career."
http://www.laweekly.com/general/features/moz-the-
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Why did Johnny almost quit the band in 1983? (Score:0)
I remember him saying in an interview circa '88 that the Smiths was never an "easy" band to be in; he said there was always tension, but that it made for greater creativity.
Re:Hmmm... (Score:0)
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