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davidt
on Monday August 09 2004, @09:00AM
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Brief discussion of Morrissey in an interview with Robert Smith in Real Detroit Weekly. The article is split up into two parts. The first part, an interview with both Robert Smith and Simon Gallup, is here. The second part, which specifically talks about Mozzer and RS's feelings on the mythical feud is here. Hope you find it informative. --- Excerpt: The Morrissey Question That Will Not Die Smith's commitment to musical diversity almost invites an inquiry about the status of his oft-referenced feud with indie-pop icon and former frontman of the Smiths, Morrissey, which has been discussed for eons. Even as a new generation of American fans has embraced both Morrissey and the Cure with an equally frenzied fervor, Smith is wary of drawing too many connections between the two acts. He says, "There's nothing that links Morrissey and the Cure in my mind," Smith says. "As the years go by, it's very easy to think we were from the same generation, but we're not. The Cure recorded our first album in 1978 - we were on our third or fourth album by the time the Smiths started." Even the very existence of the feud, though, is something Robert repudiates as birthed by a decade (the '80s) desperately looking for something to talk about, and assures me that when it comes to such things, "Really, life's too short." But regardless of his ostensible indifference to the magnificent Mancunian, Smith still manages to get a jab in, "[Morrissey] has been away for a number of years and has come back I think to capitalize on this resurgence of interest in a particular period of time," Smith says. "That has nothing to do with the Cure. We've been playing constantly every year for 25 years. We're a living and breathing band." So perhaps Real Detroit is feeding the non-existent fire by making mention of such a thing, as Smith makes up for his off-handed slam by stating he's fully aware that many die-hard Cure fans like what Morrissey does and vice- versa. But nonetheless, the microscopic flame of unrealistic hope that perhaps this millennium would see a double bill featuring both the proverbial Dukes of Dour and the infallible Pope of Mope seems to have been doused. It's all the same, though - the delicate hearts of Anglophiles nationwide probably couldn't handle such a thing.
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"...Specimen and Alien Sex Fiend were goth bands.. (Score:1)
This is what I have always said and thought...The Cure aren't goth at all...just shabbily dressed.
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Bored of the Cure, already! (Score:1)
"We've been playing constantly every year for 25 years. We're a living and breathing band." Yeah right Rob! This coming from the leader of the band with the Guinness book of records title for the most member changes and back and forth departures in history!!!! Who are "The Cure" now, anyway? Wasn't your previous album supposed to be the last?
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Who cares! (Score:1)
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He's wrong. (Score:0, Troll)
Fat Bastard (Score:0)
Ug (Score:1)
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The best goth is not goth (Score:1)
As for not being goth, well, the best goth bands were never proper goth, like the Cure, Cocteau Twins, Siouxsie, and Bauhaus. The bands that tried too hard and are considered "real goth" were just pantomime and a smoke machine.
And i'd like to remind Robert Smith that Morrissey isn't cashing in on any sort of nostolgia. He's just as alive as the Cure...more so if we're speaking artistically. He toured without a deal or album twice and was still able to sell-out venues.
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I Really Like The Cure.... (Score:2, Insightful)
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Oh dear, The Cure are so laughable. (Score:0)
The Cure are, plain and simple, an 80's nostalgia band. The British record-public have voted with their feet. Shame the Americans didn't do likewise.
John
Moz v's Bob (Score:0)
The Cure are a nostalgia act! (Score:0)
Look at The Cure's live set. It contains nearly all their successful singles from the 1980's.
Although Moz plays Smiths songs, he tends to go for the more obscure stuff.
robert smith is a crashing bore (Score:0)
signed,
Morrissey
holdon a sec. (Score:1)
from '78 to '92s 'Wish' The Cure had been quite prolific- 9 proper studio albums plus many singles, compilations and live offerings. than a four year hiatus till the next proper studio album, '96s 'Wild Mood Swings'. than almost another full four years to 2000's 'Bloodflowers' and more than four year's to this year's self-titled release. yes, these gaps hav been filled with redundant compilations and one off singles but The Cure hav had more than their share of down time. infact, 'Bloodflowers' was originally supposed to be The Cure's last album with Smith constantly eluding to this and making the Dream Tour out to be The Cure farewell tour. with this year's new album, the Curiosa festival and other touring, 2004 is seeing The Cure basically coming out of retirement.
from '79-2004 The Cure hav released 12 proper studio albums- if you want to be generous you might include studio compilations 'Boys Don't Cry' and 'Japanese Whispers' to make it 14- and theyve had 33 official singles. Morrissey, including his career with The Smiths, has released 11 proper studio albums- and you dont hav to be too generous to include compilations like 'Hatful Of Hollow', 'The World Won't Listen/Louder Than Bombs' and 'Bona Drag' to bring it to 12 or 13- and [only including the Smiths singles that made 'Singles', as there were more] 28 singles- soon to be 29. so, Moz has released only 1 less album and [at most] four less singles than The Cure where Morrissey was 7years without a recording deal and The Cure had a 4-5 year head start.
if Robert Smith is trying to imply that Morrissey has taken any more absence than The Cure hav over their careers or that Moz is somehow less prolific than Smith and the gang he is juste plain wrong. despite his recent time spent in obscurity, Morrissey remains as prolific and relevant as any of the artists fortunate enough to span generally the same 2-2.5 decade period of the 80s, 90s and now- The Cure, R.E.M., Sonic Youth, U2 and thats about it [pretty select company]. if Robert Smith cannot respect anything else about Morrissey he should at least hav to respect that.
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why oh why? (Score:1)
dont get me wrong, i ADORE morrissey!!
but this harshness towards the cure by moz fans is so unneccessary...not to mention old and boring. why is it that cure fans really DONT have a huge OVERBEARING hatred for morrissey/smiths
fans...but moz fans LOATHE robert smith? does that mean that cure fans are just friendlier, more apporachable, less miserable? maybe...
as a fan of both, i find they are, not to put anybody here down.
surprisingly a lot of cure fans like the smiths and vice versa...i dont understand why some smiths fans dont like to admit they enjoy the cure (at LEAST 5 Cure songs!)c'mon i KNOW you sing along to their infectious pop tunes, if anything...wheres the shame in admitting you enjoying music?
maybe some smiths fans havent even given the cure a fair shot? go listen to faith, pornography, disentegration and kiss me kiss me kiss me...you'll change your minds, i promise.
again as a Cure AND Smiths fan, i say just get over it. this whole thing is a HUGE "myth" and i think Robert AND Morrissey just play off of it for sheer hilarity. they probably drink tea together every now and then and have a good chuckle at this...who knows? they DO like to keep their private lives private.
and as for the Cure CONSTANTLY being compared to Duran Duran...wtf? how so? because both bands wear make up? thats about all i can see in comparison...otherwise, they are complete POLAR opposites musically...and thats what really matters...THE MUSIC, not the image, NOT the supposed cheesy feuds. get over it cure AND smiths fans! listen to the music and enjoy it regardless of what everyone else or the frontmen think...and move on.
dont accuse cure fans of brooding...smiths fans brood over their "hatred" of robert smith MORE than cure fans do about moz or anything.
p.s. i absolutely LOVE morrissey, despite my somewhat biased comments. dont beleive me? try me.
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Re:why oh why? (Score:2, Funny)
Exactly! Nuff said.
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yawn... (Score:0)
i love the mozzer but the new album is quite boring and his 50 minute sets are sad and pathetic.
the setlists are also pretty sad. how about playing some of your good stuff...ya know, the stuff you made 10 years ago?
the guy needs help (Score:1)
And that's exactly what he still is today and will always be. He can't sing, he can't dress and his hair looks pathetic. I wish he would shut up forever.
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At least the Cure is playing Mexico (Score:0)
So please MOZ tour Latin America again... Maybe when you extend your American tour by Texas, please come down to Monterrey, Guadalajara and Mexico city at least...
semantics (Score:0)
i never had any trouble loving the Cure or the the Smiths immensely and oddly enough, discovered the Smiths first.
interesting comments below about the live show tho. never seen the Cure live unless you count in Orange at the theatre. probably wont now cos stadiums are a grind.
its not a two party system. you can love them both without guilt or shame ;-)
The Cure, Bunnymen, Duran... nobody like Moz (Score:1)
I remember a while back when everyone ripped into Ian McCulloch of Echo & The Bunnymen for knocking Morrissey. It was an over reaction then as it now with the Robert Smith comment. Take Bob's comments for what they are: worth a chuckle and that's it.
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Robert & The Smiths & Morrissey (Score:0)
Its like...you can not be a Los Angeles Ca. resident and not give a shit about eigther.
As far as Robert Smiths ..position goes...I was at the Inland Invasion ...2? show and i wanted to die by the 5th moaning epic.
I swear to shit..could these songs drag on anymore?
If The Cure were to ever release ...not a best of but Singles album I doubt the other records would sell anymore because lets be honest people..unless you get into the whole "Gothic" cliche that the cure really personifies...there isn't much point.
They make 2 pop songs per album..or so....and the rest of the show is pretty...well yeah 1978. Hasn't changed much I bet.
Also....Moz hasn't has had an album til You are The Quarry BUT if that fat shit smith would take the burger shuved you know where out for a moment he would see that moz has been touring almost constantly and consitantly for all of that time AND may i add...Perhaps The Cure as a whole is annoyed that they have to constantly be feeding (robert smith &) the cure fans new shit all the time. Where as Morrissey was also selling out his shows...without...with without a new album after new album like the cure.
His music servived 7 years without new material and if there is new intrest in Morrissey, The Smiths and The Cure whats changed? I'll tell you....Morrissey's press.
the mozkateer
we were the first
we were the last
los angeles to england
even japan
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mmmmmm.... (Score:0)
+ i just saw the cure on monday night, they played for over 2 hours but would have played longer due to curfews. the show was pretty well sold out, everyone had a great time.
- moz has cancelled parts of every north american tour he has ever done and plays for under an hour.
- i would have seen him last thursady at the same venue as the cure played, but lollapalooza was cancelled. why? poor ticket sales! could it be the bill? probably!
+ 15,000 paid to see the cure with interpol, the rapture and mogwai.
- a whole tour was cancelled with moz and sonic youth on the bill.
DON'T FUCKING KNOCK THE CURE, THEY ARE ONE OF THE BEST LIVE BANDS OUT THERE!
MORRISSEY CANNOT EVEN PLAY A FULL SET, NEVERMIND SHOW UP FOR A FULL TOUR.
ROBERT MAY WEAR THE MAKE UP AND USE THE HAIR PRODUCT BUT HE IS NO PRIMA DONNA UNLIKE....NO NAMES MENTIONED...YOUR BELOVED MORRISSEY, WHO BY THE WAY IS PUSHING MAXIMUM DENSITY NOWADAYS. MAYBE HE AND ROBERT CAN DO ATKINS TOGETHER!!!!
Robert Smith looks like Liz Taylor before rehab (Score:0)
Question: why does ANYONE like the Cure? They are awful! I hate the Cure, I hate Robert Smith and I especially hate goths!!! I don't know how anyone who considers themselves to be a goth could be a Morrissey fan. Morrissey is glamourous and stylish, goths are unoriginal dull white people with no dress sense or style. Even worse they have awful make up and have vile tattoos. If you know someone who is a goth and has a tattoo of, say, a bat, on their arm amputate it immediately! That's the best advice I can give you.
Smith Blamed Moz for flare-up (Score:0)
VIVA HATE
just because... (Score:1)
morrissey just hates robert 'cause robert turned him down for a date.
hahahaha! so untrue, but wouldnt it be nice?
i hope no one thinks im serious. its just my stupid, unreasonable, totally fictional answer to the Morrissey/Robert question. :)
i dont think bob is moz' type anywho. morrissey goes for the more "classy"
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i've bought, listened, and loved both ... (Score:1)
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hmmm (Score:0)
i'm sorry & who sold "Pictures of You" to Kodak again? sellout.
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