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posted by
davidt
on Wednesday August 15 2001, @10:00AM
curious orange writes:
This week's NME features The Charlatans. Tim Burgess, who seems to mention Morrissey in every interview, says: "With this record we've achieved much more than most groups, more than say, The Smiths. I met Morrissey and thought he was sad, I thought he was a fool. He lives in LA for a completely different reason than me. He expects people to treat him with respect. I make sure I gain respect. He sits there in Greta Garbo's old house waiting for someone to offer him a record deal whereas I'll phone anybody, I'll talk to anybody."If anyone wants to defend Morrissey, the interview states that Tim's local is the Cat and Fiddle!!
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Morrissey "a fool" according to Tim Burgess (The Charlatans)
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Rejection from a fool (Score:1)
(User #2789 Info | http://www.morrisseymusic.com/)
A Fool Such As He... (Score:2)
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tim burgess calling mozz a 'fool' (Score:1)
(User #3040 Info)
But After All... (Score:0)
another envious has-been (Score:0)
Any fool can think of words that rhyme (Score:1)
Timmy Burger:
Were you on drugs when you said that? Or you've been living in your own world for the past twenty years?
Wait! Maybe he's right... they've achieved so much that they end up touring with Stereophonics last year.
(User #49 Info)
Little man what now? (Score:1, Insightful)
One question (Score:1)
(User #215 Info)
Moz/Garbo (Score:1, Funny)
Tim Burgess: what a pointless person (Score:1, Informative)
He epitomises that appalling apolitical, baggy- trousered, floppy-fringed, charisma-free, nothing-to-say mentality of all the worst 'Madchester' bands.
How they've survived this long is one of the greatest mysteries of the modern era. But if their record sales pattern continues its recent trend, we won't have to put up with their vague, soulless, sub-Stone Roses, half-baked, indie-lite mediocrity for very much longer. And for that, we must thank the Lord.
JS
it's a mystery (Score:2, Insightful)
1). Morrissey works in very, very mysterious ways. The last time he spoke to a journalist was circa New Year '01. To paraphrase Boz Boorer, "things change very quickly in the Morrissey world." So, does anyone know For Certain that Moz is in fact looking and/or waiting for a contract? And if so, how does this person know?
2). The NME is a complete joke of a publication. The maturity of their writer's remains forever frozen at age 9. Therefore, I wouldn't put it past them to credit an interviewee (Tim B.) with something he never said.
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A fine Carpenter (Score:0)
could his pride be getting in the way? (Score:1)
Tim is suffering delusions of grandeur if
he believes The Charlatans have parity with
The Smiths.
yet he makes a point:
Morrissey is no longer in a position to wait
for the industry to come to him. major labels won't court him indefinitely.
if Morrissey wanted a fair deal, he'd have one
by now. the longer he waits, the more likely
he'll be forced to compromise.
i don't see Morrissey compromising his pride
for a recording contract.
as the faithful few, we can't see the forest
from the trees. Morrissey doesn't have legions
of fans (although this site may lead you to
think so) and all the while, his standing in
the industry is diminishing. they are less
likely to invest in a difficult aging artist
w/a small cult following. not w/out one hell
of a mkting concept/repackage, which our man
would naturally oppose.
time is running out and he better come up something quick because i don't think Morrissey
will agree to signing a lesser deal than the
major labels can provide him.
(User #438 Info)
out of order...but a point well made. (Score:0)
small man's syndrome (Score:2, Interesting)
(User #3228 Info | http://listen.to/orangejuice)
Doves also mention Moz in NME interview. (Score:1, Interesting)
Burgess (Score:2, Funny)
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Pass me the nailgun (Score:1)
(User #1820 Info)
get over it sad fellow (Score:1)
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Let's not go nuts... (Score:1)
HOWEVER, for Tim to drag the Smiths into it and call Morrissey "sad" and a "fool" is ridiculous. I've met ]im at a few shows in L.A. and he's always been really nice so I'm disappointed to hear about this...
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Timmy! (Score:0)
Why of course,Tim. Just read the messages above and see how much respect you got.
Could you by any chance have been the inspiration behind the character "Timmy" from South Park? If so, I must say you sound more articulate on the cartoon.
ugh an anonymous post, my first ever! (Score:1, Interesting)
Tim must be such a fool! (Score:1)
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Oh, the charlatans (Score:1)
(User #103 Info)
do people still read the NME? (Score:0)
I am surprised as to me that paper was something that happened around the time of the indie era, reading it today must be like trying to live in a cave again like they did in the dark ages.
Tim Burgess the bank robber (Score:0)
Sad to say but the Charlatans are as much part of todays music scene as Ike and Tina Turner, yesterdays musicians.
But I do agree that living in LA is a clear sign your career is over.
so the "best of the Charlatans" is on the way (Score:0)
One hit from Burgess band, The only one i know. It still is their best song and it was released in the early 90's.
Obsession (Score:1)
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Such A Fool! (Score:1)
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Come on! (Score:0)
Regarding THIS story, here are my opinions:
1. The Charlatans are okay, and sometimes write good songs. Unless something dramatic happens, however, they're not going to outperform the Smiths.
2. This does not mean, though, that Tim Burgess has no right to criticise the Smiths, just as Morrissey was well within his rights to poke fun at many groups, including the Beatles, which achieved far more (artistically) than Morrissey so far has.
3. I've been out with Morrissey a few times, and, in a sense, he IS a fool, as I'm sure he would admit. He has given his life to acting out the character of Morrissey, and there's not much left. Now that his work is clumsy and charmless, and quite unnecessary to most people who care about music, there is no point to much of his life. And he has always made it quite clear that there is nothing much to his life outside the work. So he is a fool if you consider setting up the second half of one's life to be dull and long to be foolish. But was it worth doing so? Is a shit life that still produces the half a dozen great records he's made worth the living? Probably, yeah, but let others who want to do more disagree.
Cocky Little Nutters. (Score:2, Funny)
…As cheeky Mankey Squirrels, prodding the sleeping Bear with misshapen twigs before skittering back to the forest whence they came, where they can’t see the wood for the trees. (The cocky little Nutters!) Perhaps one day the Great Bear will rise and take a swipe…
Or perhaps he truly is Asleep…
Anyone who hasn’t suffered facile-cliché-induced-nausea yet, please flame me so I can try (you) again!
(User #2458 Info)
meeting sad lil Morrissey (Score:0)
Your jealous!!!! (Score:0)
He's right (Score:1)
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whaaaaat? (Score:1)
no but seriously...who? are these persons all that popular? i mean, let him speak his mind and all but will david put up a post if i start quoting morrissey and what not?
just kidding...
but who are the charlatans?
(User #3151 Info)
bankrupt to boot? (Score:0)
This site has been de-activated due to a dispute over web services payment
& on advice of their solicitors “Lea & Company Solicitors”
timmy with the hair! (Score:0)
bet he eats steak on a sunday!!!
reply to this..
really want to hear your view....x
Morrissey's A Sad Fool.? (Score:1)
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